01-08-2002 04:10									#1
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With all the focus on Iraq lately, I think people should be reminded that far greater danger is quietly "stockpiling" power.

http://www.spaceimaging.com/gallery...01/busherhr.jpg (very large pic, the reactor is in the bottom left part)

That's Bushar.

Now, for the facts :
1) Before OBL's phenomenal 'success' in Sept 11, Iran was the world's leading exporter of terrorism.
Groups based in Iran and funded by the Irani goverment were responsible for both local and international terror attacks. The Hizballah and the Islamic Jihad(and partially Hamas) are getting support from there and recognized as terror groups by the US. The Hizballah is an organization with "global reach", as proven in the Buenos Aires attacks which were directly sponsored by Iran.
2) For 20 years the Iranis were promoting US hatred around the world, vowing to destroy it. Iran is also ruled by a radical fundamentalist goverment. They look moderate concerning religious issues, but as far as the US, Israel or nuclear weapons are concerned they are hardcore fanatics.
3) Iran, with the help of Russia, develops nuclear weapons. The Bushar reactor should be ready in couple years and operational a while later.
4) The next generation of Irani missiles should be able to reach large parts of Europe.

So, from the American point of view, Iran should be much more of a threat than the half ruined Iraq with it's psychopatic leader.

The US cant attack Iran, in a sense of a large scale invasion or whatever because it lacks a casus belli, but what about the nuclear reactor?

Politically, assuming the administration wants it, can the US alone or together with Israel do something about it? What's the opinion of the Senate, the Congress etc, concerning Iran?

When Europe is going to pull it's head out of the sand and realize that they are threatened?

Last edited by Eli on 01-08-2002 at 04:17

	01-08-2002 04:18									#2
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Iran just hasn't done anything major to piss people off in a while.

	01-08-2002 04:21									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse Iran just hasn't done anything major to piss people off in a while.

Well, they arent idiots.
After 11/9 they are keeping low profile, but in the moment they have the bomb i'm sure you'll hear about them.

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I think Iran has to be one of the most pro-terrorist nations today, and there is way too big a risk that they might one day nuke Israel- I don't think we can trust fundamentalist Mullahs to act rational. We should also take covert action to undermine and hopefully topple the Islamic regime.

	01-08-2002 04:23									#5
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Just leave Iran alone...
Even if they have nukes, who cares? If USA, Russia, India etc can have them why they shouldn't have them?
Iran is no threat for anyone.

	01-08-2002 04:30									#6
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because they are a crapy government who dislikes the US and has tyrannical tendencies

Jon Miller

	01-08-2002 04:33									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Eli The US cant attack Iran, in a sense of a large scale invasion or whatever because it lacks a casus belli, but what about the nuclear reactor?

You do it. You already have experience with blowing up reactors. What does blowing up one more matter to Isreal?

	01-08-2002 04:34									#8
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Leave well enough alone...we've ****ed Iran up enough

	01-08-2002 04:39									#9
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Shyte poll, Naftali.

	01-08-2002 04:41									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Just leave Iran alone... Even if they have nukes, who cares? If USA, Russia, India etc can have them why they shouldn't have them? Iran is no threat for anyone.

Really? Why dont you listen to a speech or two of their leaders?

Look, it's not a matter of "why should/shouldn't they have nukes". There is a possible threat of destruction to Israel in 2 years, and to Europe and the US in a decade.

They have the full right to build the reactor and try to get nuclear weapons, but Israel(and the west, if they have any brains left) also have the full right to make sure they dont, not because it's fair or unfair, but because they are a threat.

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Your poll still sucks, Naftali.

	01-08-2002 04:47									#12
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quote: Originally posted by orange Leave well enough alone...we've ****ed Iran up enough

So because the US had mistaken in Iran once they wont be a threat?

quote: You do it. You already have experience with blowing up reactors. What does blowing up one more matter to Isreal?

I hope we do something about it.
But the Iranis learned the lesson, they dont concentrate everything in one place like the Iraqis and they keep good defences. I'm afraid that even if Israel attacks, it wont be as effective as an American attack because of the resources you have.

	01-08-2002 04:48									#13
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They have two kinds of leaders You know... And majority of population stands against the fundamental ones...
Anyway perhaps Israel can be endangered. But i don't mind all that much. Only a serious threat will force it to lead reasonable politics. But Iran won't dare to attack Israel openly, as well as any other state... And why Iran should invade Europe? Not a chance. Europe gets anti-american and pro-arabic recently and unlike our dear "Israel",
it doesn't stand on ground stolen from majorly Muslim population.

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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller because they are a crapy government who dislikes the US and has tyrannical tendencies Jon Miller

So's France.

Ya gotta admit: that's casting the net a bit wide.

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It is, Kepler, and Naftali should recognise that as well.

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you have the same possibility to destroy them that they do you, and you already have nukes

So what's the difference? Just because your state sponsored terrorism is 'democratic' and theirs isn't?

	01-08-2002 04:53									#17
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quote: They have two kinds of leaders

Both radical.

quote: You know... And majority of population stands against the fundamental ones...

Yeah, and what are they going to do? Vote the fundies out of their office?

quote: Originally posted by Heresson Anyway perhaps Israel can be endangered. But i don't mind all that much. Only a serious threat will force it to lead reasonable politics. But Iran won't dare to attack Israel openly, as well as any other state...

Ok.
You just said that Iran is not a threat at all earlier.

quote: And why Iran should invade Europe?

As part of the holy Islamic revolution that they have been spreading for the last two decades maybe?

quote: Not a chance. Europe gets anti-american and pro-arabic recently and unlike our dear "Israel", it doesn't stand on ground stolen from majorly Muslim population.

And in 10 years? In 20? You dont know what's gonna happen. So now it's unreasonable for them to do something, but imagine what will the Mullahs do when they have the bomb?!

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Answer orange's question.

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We know it's very hot in Naftaliland, that's no excuse for spreading racist pamphlets, dear.

	01-08-2002 04:57									#20
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Orange :

See my response to Heresson couple posts ago(my second reply in the thread).

	01-08-2002 04:57									#21
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quote: So because the US had mistaken in Iran once they wont be a threat?

No, i'm saying we don't repeat mistakes we've already made

	01-08-2002 05:01									#22
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your responce to him didn't answer my question (or his for that matter)

	01-08-2002 05:03									#23
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"Both radical.

Don't exagerrate

"Yeah, and what are they going to do? Vote the fundies out of their office?

Would You start the war having massive problems in your own state and having no chance that the war would unite the nation?

"Ok.
You just said that Iran is not a threat at all earlier.

A threat to a threat isn't a threat.

Anyway I think of it as a potential threat, materials for a bomb that won't explode unless You won't create it. Even for israel. What do You expect? Would Irand nuke Israel
risking lifes of thousands of Muslim comfaithfulls?

"As part of the holy Islamic revolution that they have been spreading for the last two decades maybe?

That's a part of wrong understanding of Muslim fundamentalism. they don't want to islamise christian
jewish or whatever nations, they want to rule Muslims according to what they consider the law of the God.

And in 10 years? In 20? You dont know what's gonna happen. So now it's unreasonable for them to do something, but imagine what will the Mullahs do when they have the bomb?!

Imagine; what would India and Pakistand do with themselves if the had nukes!
Wait... They have

	01-08-2002 05:06									#24
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bomb them back to the middle ages!! oh wait, they already are in the middle ages. back to the stone age then

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quote: Originally posted by Kepler So's France.

We should invade France then.

	01-08-2002 05:15									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Eli I'm afraid that even if Israel attacks, it wont be as effective as an American attack because of the resources you have.

Nonsense. You basically degraded Iraq's nuclear ambitions in the 80's to the point where they are only now allegedly recovering. How mush more of an effective history do you need?

	01-08-2002 05:16									#28
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Israel actually fought Iraq? How exactly? Copters?

	01-08-2002 05:17									#29
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are you kidding? We'll never break the Maginot Line's defenses

	01-08-2002 05:23									#30
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Etch: Israel bombed Iraq's nuclear plants in 1982 in a pre-emptive strike.

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Btw, having nuclear power facilities is a FAR cry from developing nuclear weapons. They require different things. Just because a country has nuclear power doesn't mean they know how to get nuclear weapons and vice-versa.