01-08-2002 23:53									#1
	How about adding a new era Support Apolyton

I'd like to see a new era in Civ3 after Modern time.
It could be named the nano age or something.
In this age it should be possible to colonize the sea just like in Alpha Centauri.
Anyone has more ideas about new things this era would bring?
Sorry if something like this has already been discussed in another thread.

	02-08-2002 00:42									#2
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I like the idea of a Future Age, youd just need to bump the Spaceship up to the end of the future age so you could play this new age.

	02-08-2002 02:15									#3
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I have long been a proponent of merging the Industrial and Modern Ages together and creating a Future Age.

	02-08-2002 04:12									#4
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Environment would be a lot more important and you might want to make trees a viable option for terrain other than tundra. Move the longevity and cure for cancer wonders to future techs, or just move genetics. You would have to somehow make ocean city impossible in all but the future age, add a government where computers do everything and humans just have fun and maybe a"matrix" type government where people live in a computer generated world, and add empaths and transendi as citizens. A nanotechnology tech could lead to empaths (and maybe psychic attack unit), longevity, and a "nanometal" that leads to better units. Also add the fusion power plant. Anti-gravity in there somewhere.

	02-08-2002 04:47									#5
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Actually, I'd like to add an era between Middle and Industrial Age. Currently, the jump is too much.

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quote: Originally posted by zulu9812 Actually, I'd like to add an era between Middle and Industrial Age. Currently, the jump is too much.

How about the Industrial Dark Ages.....

	02-08-2002 08:51									#7
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Or maybe a Renaissance.

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I prefer calling the Civ 3 "Middle Ages" the Renaissance.

	02-08-2002 13:43									#9
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb I have long been a proponent of merging the Industrial and Modern Ages together and creating a Future Age.

Good idea some people say we are currently still in the industrial age some say we are in the digital age.
And some techs at the end of the Modern age would be more appropriate in some kind of Future age
The Middle Ages in civ 3 should acctually be named Middle Ages + Rennaisscance (how original) because some things in that age were only just invented in the Rennaisssance.
These changes would make the game more historicly accurate.

	02-08-2002 13:44									#10
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And something else sea colonies or cities in the future age would make naval warfare much more important.

	02-08-2002 16:15									#11
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Nah, sea colonies are no good.
I never liked that in AC. There's place anough to build cities. The seas are just a good thing, it's not fun anymore if there are cities everywhere.

	02-08-2002 16:41									#12
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There even has been a poll (With 122 voters) about this. Take a look:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=50341

The future era won the poll, but we could start coming with some ideas for a future era


Oh, and btw, if sea colonies are going to be in the game, there needs to be done something, to avoid those cities to be all over the sea...maybe by making them more expensive to keep

Here's some ideas on what can be good/bad about a Sea colonie:

+ They are necesary to invent certain underwater abilities**/units/structures*

- Sea colonies are expensive (Has a high upkeep on structures)

+ Sea colonies are the only cities that can build the special underwater units/structures, and are the only ones that can use the special underwater abilities

+ Sea colonies are hidden for Civs that haven't entered the (near) future era yet

+ It's harder to attack Sea colonies (Can't use land units)

* e.g. sea settler, "waver" (a structure that can only be built in sea colonies) they "make waves" that "drags" (or kills) enemy ships out of the area of the city

**Underwater abilites could be e.g. the using of underwater farms (That can only be built by the sea settlers)

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	02-08-2002 18:52									#13
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The problem with adding eras is that you also need to add city graphics, era splashes, leaderheads and era-specific unit graphics. That's probably why Firaxis haven't put it in.

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and the game ends in 2050

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I think it would have to be a scenario, and then change the leader flics, etc to correspond. The Amazons I did for BlueO's AmazonMod had futuristic looks for the fourth age because his mod had cyborg amazons, robotic infantry, MechaGodzillas, and amazon infantry with jet packs.

	03-08-2002 17:46									#16
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quote: Originally posted by zulu9812 The problem with adding eras is that you also need to add city graphics, era splashes, leaderheads and era-specific unit graphics. That's probably why Firaxis haven't put it in.

Is that so difficult?

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And to ADG about those sea colonies, they can also be restricted to sea and coastal squares + coastal squares should yield more resources, that way you wont be having sea colonies all over the place.

	03-08-2002 17:59									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Mattaba Is that so difficult?

Not really, all you'd have to do is make a future looking outfit and pasted it over the current modern one in the flics and just leave the head alone.

I plan on making a future age flc (XX_E01 and XX_E02 where XX is the two letter code for the leader)) for all my leadersets later just so people have the option.

	03-08-2002 18:29									#19
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Which program do you use to edit those leaderheads GhengisFarb?

	03-08-2002 23:30									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Mattaba Which program do you use to edit those leaderheads GhengisFarb?

If you want to edit them, that is paste a future body in all the frames and leave the head, I used to use JASC animation shop. Just "paste in all frames".

I currently make my leaderheads from scratch with Poser 4.

	03-08-2002 23:56									#21
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For me, the future ages were one reason to hate CTP.

I always liked the "realism" of Civ in terms of development of technologies, governments and warfare.

Future ages would destroy this reflection of human history. Nobody knows what furure will bring... (you can't disagree on that)

	04-08-2002 02:43									#22
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The following advances are IMHO forseeable in the nearby future:

Scramjet
Cargo Pipeline
Fusion Power
Nanotech
Artificial Intelligence
Regeneration
Arcologies
Hydrogen Engine
Virtual Reality
Unified Field Theory
Global Marketing

	04-08-2002 03:25									#23
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I dont really understand why the game should have eras at all. It makes the development so deterministic!

	04-08-2002 08:08									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Optimizer I dont really understand why the game should have eras at all. It makes the development so deterministic!

But then we wouldn't have an excuse to make Leaderheads!

	04-08-2002 14:08									#25
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb If you want to edit them, that is paste a future body in all the frames and leave the head, I used to use JASC animation shop. Just "paste in all frames". I currently make my leaderheads from scratch with Poser 4.

Thanks I wanted to make some leaderheads myself but didnt know the program

quote: Originally posted by Optimizer I dont really understand why the game should have eras at all. It makes the development so determenistic

I think it makes the gameplay better, in AC you could be very advanced in weapons techs, while you didnt even have some techs to build basic facilities, without eras it would be much easier to be far ahead in weapons techs and this would make warmongering easier and it's already so easy.

	04-08-2002 14:29									#26
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb I have long been a proponent of merging the Industrial and Modern Ages together

Did you ever make a tech tree that could go with it?

	04-08-2002 20:46									#27
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hi ,

they should put more then one era in , there is room for at least 3 more , ....

have a nice day

	04-08-2002 21:18									#28
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I said: I dont really understand why the game should have eras at all. It makes the development so deterministic!

quote: Originally posted by Mattaba I think it makes the gameplay better, in AC you could be very advanced in weapons techs, while you didnt even have some techs to build basic facilities, without eras it would be much easier to be far ahead in weapons techs and this would make warmongering easier and it's already so easy.

I think it would make the game more interesting, because you can choose between different strategies. Of course it is harder to balance a game without eras, but it is still possible. You should make non-military techs essential in other ways so that you punish yourself by skipping them.

Might be getting a bit off topic.

	05-08-2002 15:37									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Optimizer I said: I dont really understand why the game should have eras at all. It makes the development so deterministic! I think it would make the game more interesting, because you can choose between different strategies. Of course it is harder to balance a game without eras, but it is still possible. You should make non-military techs essential in other ways so that you punish yourself by skipping them. Might be getting a bit off topic.

I get your point but I didnt know exactly that 'determenistic' meant , I know now ,but eras are there for realism and they make the gameplay better IMO, and yes they are very determenistic for the gameplay.

	05-08-2002 16:19									#30
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I think the games needs two more eras. One at the beginning of the game and one at the end