02-08-2002 04:59									#31
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So, Sloww, you really belive Texas is one nation under God?

	02-08-2002 04:59									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Kepler Aren't they still fighting over the meaning of "filioque"?

That issue, and al lot of other issues, such as celibacy, should be settled once and for all by an ecumenical council where all Christain sects are invited to attend. But the best way avoid the "primacy" of the pope issue is to make it clear that the office elected and all Christains, East and West, are eligible. Perhaps John Paul ought to say, now, that all archbishops and patriarchs of all sects, Catholic or not, are eligible electors. Now that really would be something.

	02-08-2002 05:20									#34
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The Pope can retire/resign whatever.

Hard to say if this one will - there is pressure on him to do so.

	02-08-2002 05:36									#35
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I think they probably want to have him ride out the current controversy so that his successor is not saddled with the bad PR.
A pretty good strategy, if you ask me. Once the hubub dies down and the pedophiles have been dragged into the light, they can start off with a new Pope and a fresh start.
But this one is looking pretty raggedy. I'm sure it will resolve itself soon.

	02-08-2002 05:48									#36
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I think legally the Pope can do whatever he feels like doing. People have been saying he doesn't have six months left ever since he was shot. He and Ronald Reagan will probably outlive us all at this rate.

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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia It's a do or die job. A new pope won't come to office until the current one is with his god.

That's not true...

	02-08-2002 07:47									#38
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In the "Bad Old Days" They poisoned him if he got to ill to funchion and reported that he "Died In His Sleep".

Don't suppose they can do that today.

	02-08-2002 08:39									#39
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Does it really make a difference?

Seriously, does the pope do anything other than PR?

I'm not being facetious, I just don't know.

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He and the cardinals help decide on theology/moral issues in addition to exercising final control of billions in assets...

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Of course God could terminate the Pope's appointment any day now

	02-08-2002 10:08									#42
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This Pope is Jesus Christ representative on planet earth. If you do not like it to bad.

Keep this in mind, our lord God started the Jewish Church and Jesus started the Catholic Church, all other churches were started my a man.

When Jesus decides to take John Paul, he will, without any help from any of us.

When Jesus Christ decides this church need a change, he will make his though know to all of us.

	02-08-2002 10:19									#43
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quote: Originally posted by joseph1944 This Pope is Jesus Christ representative on planet earth. If you do not like it to bad. Keep this in mind, our lord God started the Jewish Church and Jesus started the Catholic Church, all other churches were started my a man. When Jesus decides to take John Paul, he will, without any help from any of us. When Jesus Christ decides this church need a change, he will make his though know to all of us.

At last Mark, a crazy catholic has shown up

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Uh, jesus never went to rome. He may not even have spoken Latin. Furthermore, he was killed by the Romans. St. Peter founded the catholic church, in the sense that he brought christianity to rome. But hey, I suppose yopu have a right to believe in the Easter Bunny.

	02-08-2002 11:23									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Dan Severn Uh, jesus never went to rome. He may not even have spoken Latin. Furthermore, he was killed by the Romans. St. Peter founded the catholic church, in the sense that he brought christianity to rome. But hey, I suppose yopu have a right to believe in the Easter Bunny.

Matthew 16: 18 is usually the quoted source for St. Peter's authority in founding the only true Church.

	02-08-2002 11:26									#46
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I believe in God; I don't believe in churches.

I am reminded of a joke:

A lady dies and goes to heaven. St. Peter meets her at the pearly gates. He shows her around, and she has only one question.

"What is that wall?," She asks?

"Oh, we keep the catholics over there, so they think they're the only ones here."

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LOL! I know... finally a Catholic... i feel bad about that Protestant boy in that thread before... but here's a catholic!

	02-08-2002 11:36									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Dan Severn I believe in God; I don't believe in churches. I am reminded of a joke: A lady dies and goes to heaven. St. Peter meets her at the pearly gates. He shows her around, and she has only one question. "What is that wall?," She asks? "Oh, we keep the catholics over there, so they think they're the only ones here."

Then why did Jesus tell Peter that he would be the rock on which his church would be built?

	02-08-2002 11:38									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Dan Severn I am reminded of a joke:

So am I.

Kylie Minogue, Billy Williams and Elton John come out of a night club when Kyle trips and ends up bent over, bum in the air, with her head caught between the bars of a safety fence.

Billy takes the opportunity to roger Kylie vigorously and when he's finished turns to Elton and says "okay mate, its your turn."

Elton however bursts into tears. "Why are you crying?" asks Billy.

"Because I can't get my head between the bars."

	02-08-2002 11:45									#50
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AH's joke was funnier...

	02-08-2002 12:13									#51
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AH

I can't believe I've posted that exact sentence twice now.

	02-08-2002 12:41									#52
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"archbishops and patriarchs of all sects, Catholic or not, are eligible electors. Now that really would be something.

And then the next pope shall be Jehowa witness...

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Oh! And Jesus was killed by Jews.

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I'm just glad there won't be another Polish Pope for another few centuries

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quote: Originally posted by Ned Perhaps John Paul ought to say, now, that all archbishops and patriarchs of all sects, Catholic or not, are eligible electors. Now that really would be something.

Sure would. Archbishops aren't eligible to vote. Only Cardinals.

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quote: Originally posted by joseph1944 This Pope is Jesus Christ representative on planet earth. If you do not like it to bad.

I don't have to like it since its pretty clear that its a belief with little in the way of reality behind it.

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quote: This Pope is Jesus Christ representative on planet earth. If you do not like it to bad.

Says who? The pope?
C'mon, The Holy Ghost is the representative on this planet. Not any human.

quote: Keep this in mind, our lord God started the Jewish Church and Jesus started the Catholic Church, all other churches were started my a man.

God didn't start any church.
And I can't find the phrase 'roman catholic church' anywhere in the bible. Besides that, there are too many foolish things going on in the RCC to claim it's the only true church. Praying to Maria, celibate, just to name two.

quote: When Jesus decides to take John Paul, he will, without any help from any of us.

That's true

quote: When Jesus Christ decides this church need a change, he will make his though know to all of us.

You might have missed Maarten Luther, a few centuries ago

And about the pope, I don't care about him in any christian way. Of course it's important for the global issues. But hey, he's not Jesus' representative on earth. I like him though. After all he's a christian, that's a good thing.

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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy Praying to Maria, celibate, just to name two.

I find it funny how a believer can a have a problem with that. Mary was human and therefor people are more comfortable believing that she might understand their problems. Its pretty darn clear that Jehovah sure didn't as if Jehovah could he sure wouldn't feel the need for a human sacrifice which is what the alleged sacrifice of Jesus on the cross is supposed to be.

They are NOT praying to her like some kind of ancient worship. They are trying to commune with someone. Someone dead and gone but that is what belief entails. You pray to a dead man yourself.

Its true there are some peculiar ideas in Catholicism based on what the Bible says but all christians have ideas that are in variance with reality and the Bible.

quote: You might have missed Maarten Luther, a few centuries ago

Good. His actions eventually led to the deaths of millions in Europe. Not his doing but that was the result.

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quote: Its true there are some peculiar ideas in Catholicism based on what the Bible says but all christians have ideas that are in variance with reality and the Bible.

That's true. Unfortunately.

quote: Good. His actions eventually led to the deaths of millions in Europe. Not his doing but that was the result.

That's true as well. But that always happens when people try to be free from the opressors.