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teturkhan is offline teturkhan
Warlord
Edmonton, Alberta
Nov 2001
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numbers Tired of ads?

anyone want to guess how much bomber range should be on a giga map?

HazieDaVampire is offline HazieDaVampire
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The British Empire
Apr 2002
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Re: IMHO, huge maps are meant to be huge, not more detailed Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

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the bombers still have the same range as on the real Earth scale.


Actualy, on this game, 1 square is supposed to be 10 miles (infact it might be 10 square miles, which means the squares are even shorter in length. And a B-17 (animation used for bomber) should be able to do somthing like 200miles!

Oh, and humans would struggle to live on a planet twice as large as earth!

Inverse Icarus is offline Inverse Icarus
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May 2001
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A stealth bomber (B-2) with fully loaded fuel can fly to Iraq from Nevada and back without refueling.

HazieDaVampire is offline HazieDaVampire
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well then, half the world is in Danger! Thank god the government invested in sensors that can detect them things!

teturkhan is offline teturkhan
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  Old Post 10-08-2002 03:50
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so what can I do? Support Apolyton

so what can I do to correct this on my map? A limit of 8 takes someone from Iraq to Greece and thats it baby... thats like useless...

actually I am wrong, it wouldn't even make it to Greece, half way through Turkey and thats it...

8 squares from Bagdad to Ankara (not even)...

HazieDaVampire is offline HazieDaVampire
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  Old Post 10-08-2002 03:51
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nothing you can do!

teturkhan is offline teturkhan
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Nov 2001
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  Old Post 10-08-2002 03:53
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I dont like this feature, but which is better a limit of 8 or no limit?

HazieDaVampire is offline HazieDaVampire
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thats a stupid questions!
Herm? Would i prefer to be limited in my actions, or would i prefer to be limited so i can only do a few things!?

Coracle is offline Coracle
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Feb 2002
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  Old Post 10-08-2002 04:28
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A stealth bomber (B-2) with fully loaded fuel can fly to Iraq from Nevada and back without refueling.


Hmm. I'm pretty sure they get refueled in air at some point. I think.

The point is we can't do that in Civ 3. A range of '8', hard coded, even on a large or mega map?? It's crazy.

What I miss even more about bombers is being able to INTERDICT enemy RR lines by leaving a bomber on it for a turn. If they can't shoot it down the line is blocked. In Civ 3 we would need HORDES of bombers trying to destroy imporvements to cut a city or beachhead off from counterattack.

Result? Invasions are more difficult. Less fun is had.

My question stands. '8' is both unrealistic historically and bad in game terms. Why is this the maximum range, Firaxis?? Deign to tell us.

teturkhan is offline teturkhan
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thats a stupid questions!
Herm? Would i prefer to be limited in my actions, or would i prefer to be limited so i can only do a few things!?


okay then, what are your choices? A limit of 8 which renders the unit almost completely ineffective on a large map or close up detailed map such as the one showing Europe, or give them no limit at all - infinite moves.

I don't like the choices either, but thats what we left with

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Sep 2001
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A stealth bomber (B-2) with fully loaded fuel can fly to Iraq from Nevada and back without refueling.

Uber, FYI the B-2 bombers are not stationed at Nellis Air Force Base. They are based in Montana somewhere.

HazieDaVampire is offline HazieDaVampire
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i actualy made a mistake there and said the same option twice! sorry! I'm very tired!

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Jan 2002
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  Old Post 10-08-2002 05:17
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What I miss even more about bombers is being able to INTERDICT enemy RR lines by leaving a bomber on it for a turn. If they can't shoot it down the line is blocked. In Civ 3 we would need HORDES of bombers trying to destroy imporvements to cut a city or beachhead off from counterattack.

Yes, I believe many people miss this HISTORICALLY ACCURATE and REALISTIC use of bombers... bombers hanging in the air for a year or so, blocking railroads if not shot down...

FYI, a HORDE consists of about 4-8 bombers, supported by two or three battleships. That is two fully loaded carriers plus their cover. I have lead several successfull invasions across an ocean using such "HORDES"...

Todd Hawks is offline Todd Hawks
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Jan 2001
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I think unlimited bomber range would be very annoying. Every turn dozens or even hundreds (16 civs) of AI bombers will start to bombard anything anywhere within your empire.

Ijuin is offline Ijuin
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May 2002
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I think that the real purpose of limiting the range of bombers is to force players to use aircraft carriers (and airbases once PTW comes out) intelligently. If you could station your bombers in your own cities and bombard wherever you wanted, then aircraft carriers would be completely useless and no player would even build them.

Flandrien is offline Flandrien
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Hey Uber, you forgot to put Kemzeke on that map !

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it should have a kinda of standard range, and this is multiplied by the size of the map kinda, so smaller maps have a smaller bomber range, and large maps have a larger range!

panag is offline panag
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Oct 2000
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hi ,

its not only the air-units range , there are a couple other fields in the editor that they could also "unlock" and give a greater limit , .....

actually , it is asked from the start of the game , but there was never an answer that helped us , .....

it was mailed , written down in sigs , asked in the chatroom , .....

Gramhos could come up with something , ....

while they are at it , there should be the option to "flag" units with something like " doubles defense against airunits" , .....

have a nice day

HazieDaVampire is offline HazieDaVampire
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Yeah, and for melee weapons. And
"invunerable from cannon fire" (A cannon ball isn't going to get through an iron frigate or transporter!)
"Invulnerable from arrows" (Whats an arrow from a galley going to do to a caraval?)

Menkerios is offline Menkerios
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Amherst, Mass
Aug 2002
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  Old Post 11-08-2002 19:19
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Put an end to popups!

Thoughts of setting up hard rules for scaling according to map size aside, just make the plane ranges customizable, firaxis, like everything else. They did a great job allowing us to tinker with the rules, why stop here?

teturkhan is offline teturkhan
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Nov 2001
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Bomber Range Petition Get a bigger avatar today!

I am hoping that the petition will help encourage Firaxis to consider changing the current limit on bombers and other aircraft. Hopefully it will be successful, and we can finally be done with the current limit of 8 squares.

So take a second or two click the link below and vote!


http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=58636

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panag is offline panag
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I am hoping that the petition will help encourage Firaxis to consider changing the current limit on bombers and other aircraft. Hopefully it will be successful, and we can finally be done with the current limit of 8 squares.

So take a second or two click the link below and vote!


http://forums.civfanatics.com/showt...&threadid=29450


hi ,

, no petition on apolyton , ......

anyway , the more people that go for it , ....
lets hope its going to be in the next patch , and not just a max. movement of lets say 12 or so , no , they should give us more then that , and while they are at it , Firaxis please work on the other "locked" fields also

have a nice day

teturkhan is offline teturkhan
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sorry should of done that Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

yeah I got lazy sorry...
I could do one here, but I figured so many of us go back and forth it was no big deal just to click the link

panag is offline panag
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yeah I got lazy sorry...
I could do one here, but I figured so many of us go back and forth it was no big deal just to click the link


hi ,

, well , make one here also , the more there are , the more they shall want to do something about it , ....

and apolyton is viewed by people who dont go there , ...
it would be real intresting to do it

have a nice day

miccofl is offline miccofl
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You really should post it here as well. To paraphrase Mr. Strannix: "A movement goes from one point to another and stops, but a revolution keeps coming around in your face." The more exposure you have the more people will see your point and the more responses you will receive. If you haven't posted it here within a few days I guess I'll go over there and vote - if I remember...
No, I will if it comes to that. But how many others who would have voted right here before reading any of this don't make it there?

teturkhan is offline teturkhan
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ok here is the link - go and voice your opinion! Remove this text

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=58636

panag is offline panag
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http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=58636


hi ,

nice thread , come on people , go there and cast your vote

have a nice day

 
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