14-08-2002 17:19									#181
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AND THAT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN IS A BACKSTAB-ACTION I DO NOT LIKE!

Bloody Baro. if you have read our thread we always welcome new members aslong as the belief in the our goal and isnt extreme if you want to join i want to welcome you in but i need some feedback from the other members too before i put you in the list. about our foreign policy we hadnt had one i u just opened debate i on a more personel note i like to welcome another general within our ranks i am looking forward to some discussion with you.

	14-08-2002 17:28									#182
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quote: Originally posted by Pandemoniak But since they dont have ideology, you cannot really see it

I believe this has already been said, but do you truly think that just because someone doesn't have an extreme viewpoint that they don't have any ideology? That's certainly the viewpoint you seem to push. It's like saying I'm immoral because I'm an athiest.

	14-08-2002 17:43									#183
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I agree with a firm stand agaist any demands from foreign powers but I would like to prevent a multiple-front war. so lets look at this from case to case thingy....our general policy would be that we do not give anything but under certain sircumstanses we would be able to give half.

our something like this what do you all thing?

	14-08-2002 21:15									#184
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So am I in or not? OR are you waiting for the rest of the members to decide? Well doesn't bother me. Also DBTS, when you were talking about the backstabbing were you talking about me? If so what did I do? To Pandemoniak: Well No they just like to talk about issues and conform so that new members get to feel like they are truelly represented, and they do have ideology to reach transcendce or to reach an economic victory.

[Please note that I've said these things because I've read the entire P$ thread and they seem like my kind of party.]

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	14-08-2002 21:27									#185
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P4 not P$ still had my finger on the shift button.

	14-08-2002 22:39									#186
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T B B, what happened to joining SSK (and ACE)?

	14-08-2002 23:30									#187
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i ment what pande said. (we have an ongoing discussion about policy P4 and cccp (not the cccp and not CCCP ) I welcome you in our party and i believe the rest of the party will agree but we have to wait

	15-08-2002 00:10									#188
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Of course Bloody Baron is welcome. Jdd2007, sorry we keep stealing members of your alliance, but I have always believed that SSK has more in common with P4 than with ACE. Therefore I consider it logical a SSK member wants to join P4.

Bloody Baron, yes do we indeed intend to build a prison colony. That's beyond discussion I believe. Where there is some disagreement about is whether to actively use punishment spheres against the worst criminals.

	15-08-2002 00:32									#189
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quote: Originally posted by The Bloody Baro Okay for party policies suggestions. I would like to suggest that we keep a strong military ready to fight against anyone who would like to derail us to our transcendant goal. {{OOC: Do you guys really build a prison colony? And if you transfer support to it won't it overwhelm it's mineral production?}}

fine, but i'd like to avoid war if possible. keeping a standing army is fine to fend off invaders, but everyone (except jdd and the hawks) is against specifically building an army to invade someone. sending troops out of our territory causes P-drones .

as for the prison colony, i've said it before, if the base is size 1, it doesnt need a sphere . we crawl a lot of minerals to counter support.

	15-08-2002 01:16									#190
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quote: Originally posted by TKG ENOUGH ALREADY! Stay out of our thread!

Ooh, this is a most interesting last minute story.....UNN material If ya keep it up, I can do a weekly section...

	15-08-2002 01:17									#191
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quote: Originally posted by The Bloody Baro P4 not P$ still had my finger on the shift button.

doctor passes

	15-08-2002 01:20									#192
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*cough cough*

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	15-08-2002 02:06									#193
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when is the UNN due too come out anyways?

	15-08-2002 02:52									#194
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Your a communist right PAndemoniak? Well Communism is immorale because it is innatural. From the begining of time ones needs and will to survive surpass everything else. Communism asks people to give up their hard earned wages and labor for some one who is to lazy to do it themselves. Do think Bill Gates would have earned all of that money for someone else? Capitalism allows people the OPPORTUNITY to succede. Unlike Communism which keeps everyone "in their place." Who among you and your party would give up everything they own for some one you don't even know. I am not saying that I do not give charity. As a matter of fact I have 3 garbage bags full of clothes that I amgoing to give ,that I could have sold to make a profit, to the Salvation Army. But to ask someone to giveup everything is just wrong.

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	15-08-2002 02:55									#195
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quote: Originally posted by TKG as for the prison colony, i've said it before, if the base is size 1, it doesnt need a sphere .

Yes we know that. However not all P4 members are against a ban on PSs, even though your idea is great. I just stated the different currents in the P4 party to Bloody Baron. With prison base I don't necessarily mean there has to be a Sphere in it if that wasn't clear.

	15-08-2002 03:02									#196
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So when is this puppy gonna get goin'? [referring to the playing of the game.] Also I seek to [NEXT TERM] run for Director of Defense. However 1 huge problem is in my way. I don't know how to transfer Save files into the internet. If you guys could help me I'd appreciate it.

	15-08-2002 03:02									#197
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then what makes it a prison base?

you click "attach file" in the reply page. it has to be zipped IIRC. why do you need to upload save files? only the commissioner plays the game

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	15-08-2002 03:16									#198
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Hmm. DBTS is also interested in Defence. Perhaps you can swap positions every month? One month one goes for Defence, the other month for Explo&Intel, then again for Defence...

In any case, unless there isn't any decent alternative for CCCP for Terra&Colo, I don't plan to run for any directorate in October, so this frees up spots for other P4 members to try get a directorate.

Officially the game starts September 1, but many people are eager to start it asap. This is needed IMHO because the traffic to this forum seems to decreasing. We have to do something big soon. Crisler if you're reading this, please officially start the election campaign and start director debates asap so we can start this game quickly!

	15-08-2002 03:16									#199
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OH! Thanks. If ya can't tell I'm new to this.

	15-08-2002 03:35									#200
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I wont reply to that here, because that would be very unpolite to do it in the P4 thread, especially since this is an offgame comment.
Click here to know how disgusted I am because of what you say.

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	15-08-2002 05:08									#201
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*cough cough*

where is that doctor? could we borrow CCCP's?

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	15-08-2002 14:58									#202
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*Goes and provokes Pandemoniak*

If he wants to claim Maxist ideals are right after that, let him. He'll only make himself and his party's views look even more foolish.

EDIT: Besides, who is he to claim Free Market is inefficient? I don't see the -2 Efficiency next to Free Market, do I?

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	15-08-2002 16:01									#203
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quote: Originally posted by Archaic If he wants to claim Maxist ideals are right after that, let him. He'll only make himself and his party's views look even more foolish.

Although *SLIGHTLY* offtopic, I would just like to mention that the next edition of the UNN will have a much jucier 'CCCP vs. P4' section

quote: specific path in a GAME.

Yes, at the risk of being slightly biased (and provoking P4) I must repeat the same thing to you. it's a game. so far, p4 seems to be a very large supporter of party politics (despite your front). I mean, in the nomination thread you yourselves say that you put people up to make sure the Cccp doesnt get any positions. Hmm....

*Quickly leaves*

	15-08-2002 16:27									#204
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Well then, you may wish to delay that next issue a little. It's going to get a lot jucier if he actually intends to start a protracted debate, a debate he simply can't win. So far, while already "claiming victory" (With your support I might add), all he's done has been to sidestep the issue, claiming that the essay I quoted from Wong doesn't address his beliefs of Marxism, that it addressed only the Political beliefs, not the economic ones, when in truth, Marx's political and economic beliefs were intertwined to the extent that they could be considered one and the same.

	15-08-2002 16:29									#205
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quote: Originally posted by Archaic Well then, you may wish to delay that next issue a little. It's going to get a lot jucier if he actually intends to start a protracted debate, a debate he simply can't win. So far, while already "claiming victory" (With your support I might add), all he's done has been to sidestep the issue, claiming that the essay I quoted from Wong doesn't address his beliefs of Marxism, that it addressed only the Political beliefs, not the economic ones, when in truth, Marx's political and economic beliefs were intertwined to the extent that they could be considered one and the same.

Well if that is what you believe then by all means, continue to debate! In fact, I invite you to submit an article to the upcoming edition of the UNN.

	15-08-2002 16:32									#206
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The uncoming edition? Probably not. "An" upcoming edition, maybe. Depends if I can find the time or not.

	15-08-2002 19:29									#207
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Could we please drop it! I just want to get on with the game!!

	16-08-2002 04:36									#208
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Too late to do that now. I'm going to have to carry this through, even iwith my own meger knowledge. It's in the OT now though, so it shouldn't interfere.

Though looking at the one reply there is this morning, I can already pull it apart for one fallacy after another, which doesn't help their position any.

	16-08-2002 04:44									#209
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maybe we could just erradicate our posts, like we did here?

	16-08-2002 05:02									#210
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Unfortunately we don't have a party doctor for free. Though I believe P4 stands for a decent European-style social security net, so paying him/her shouldn't cost that much.

In other words, get started people! Eliminate those posts.