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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Hester Patrick has been married for five years but she has never hugged or kissed her husband, or even touched him.

She may never do those things because Jesse Patrick is on death row in Texas with a September 17 execution date.

The 47-year-old British stage designer may have an unconventional marriage but she is far from unique. Although there are no statistics, authorities in several states say it is not unusual for men on death row to marry, often to women from Europe.

According to Death Penalty News, a newsletter published by death penalty foes, 10 women have married men on Florida's death row alone since 1997. Hester Patrick knows of three other women, all of them Europeans, married to inmates on Texas' death row.

Marriages between condemned men in America and women from Germany and Scandinavian countries, where opposition to the U.S. death penalty is strong, seem to be particularly common.

Like many of these women, Patrick met her husband through a pen pal club that matches correspondents with some of the 3,650 men facing death sentences in the United States . There have been 37 executions so far this year.

"I go over to Texas every two months. I get a non-contact visit. You go into a visitation room and we speak on a phone through bullet-proof glass," she said.

"We were not allowed to be together even for our wedding. A friend stood in for Jesse," Hester Patrick said in a telephone interview.

"I have nightmares about him being executed but if it comes to that, I will be there for him. I couldn't bear to let him go through that alone, without a single person who loves him."

Jesse Patrick, 44, was convicted of the 1980 murder of 80-year-old Nina Rutherford Reddan in Dallas.

Police found a sock and toilet paper soaked with the victim's blood in Patrick's house. The murder weapon, a knife found at the scene, was identified as belonging to Patrick. Sperm was found in the victim's body, and an officer testified she had been sexually assaulted but the sperm was not tested.

Now Hester Patrick is fighting the state of Texas to have that DNA tested at her expense. Her lawyer, Keith Hampton, does not believe the test will clear his client but hopes to postpone the execution by raising other irregularities in his trial.

Even death penalty opponents say they cannot understand what would impel women to marry men on death row.

"I know of several cases but I don't know if I can explain it," said Abraham Bonowitz, director of Floridians for Alternatives to the Death Penalty.

"Although some women may be looking for notoriety, most seem to have genuine feelings. They start corresponding with an inmate to provide comfort and support to someone in a terrible situation and it goes from there," he said.

One defense lawyer, who asked not be named, said some women who might lead dull everyday lives, seemed to be attracted by the thrill of danger and the glamour of being associated with a convicted killer.

Hannah Floyd, a Danish mother of three, started writing to an inmate on Florida's death row in 1997. After a year of correspondence, she decided to visit him.

"I went home after that first visit, packed my bags and went back to Florida with my two youngest kids. I knew it was the right thing to do. It was God's will," said Floyd, a committed Christian who converted her husband from Islam and says he has "found an inner glow."

Unlike Texas, in Florida death row inmates are allowed to meet their wives every weekend for six hours, during which they can hold hands, eat together and walk around in a room. But they are never alone together.

Floyd, who said she could not discuss her husband's case without his permission and asked that his name not be published, now runs a guest house in Stark, Florida, near her husband's prison.

"I'm over here for a million different reasons. I'm very active in the anti-death penalty movement. I'm not a crazy woman coming over here. I truly believe one day we will live a normal married life," she said.

Andrea Faust , a 37-year-old divorced mother of two living in Germany, plans to marry an inmate on Florida's death row soon. She too is a fierce opponent of the death penalty.

"I could never understand implementing such a cruel, inhuman and barbaric sentence," she said in an e-mail exchange, in which she asked for her fiance not to be named.

Describing him, she wrote: "He is not the person any more who he used to be while being on the streets. I got to know a very warm-hearted, caring, honest, understanding, intelligent and highly educated man who appreciates life more than anything else...

"I have to live with resistance toward this relationship from friends and family who can't seem to understand something that is normal to me," she wrote.

Dagmar Polzin, a German waitress in her early 30s, saw a picture of North Carolina death row inmate Bobby Lee Harris in an advertisement on a bus stop in Hamburg. Harris was one of seven inmates featured in a $20 million ad campaign by the Italian clothing company Benetton .

"I knew he wasn't a killer. I could see it in his eyes," said Polzin, who quickly made plans to visit Harris in prison and moved to North Carolina to be with him. Harris was almost executed last year but a judge set aside his death sentence, though he still faces life in prison.

Polzin continued to visit regularly though she cannot touch her fiance. "No glass, no people can destroy love," she told a North Carolina newspaper.

Even serial killers can hope for love. Richard Ramirez, known as the "Night Stalker," got married in 1996 in California's San Quentin prison to Doreen Lioy, a freelance editor. Ramirez was convicted of 14 brutal murders.

In 1998, Rebecca Torrijas, a former prison nurse, married Henry Louis Wallace, who is on death row in North Carolina for the murder of nine women and may have murdered as many as 20 across the world while he was on naval duty.

The couple exchanged vows in a small room next to the death chamber. Wallace still is awaiting execution with no date set.

take that ye euro trolls I think that makes up for that New York kidnapping company

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This is in America, not in Europe.

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> I knew it was the right thing to do. It was God's will," said Floyd, a committed Christian who converted her husband from Islam and says he has "found an inner glow."

Says it all...

OK, even though she's a nut, it's disturbing that Texas would refuse the DNA test. Hmmm, a (vanishingly small chance) of killing an innocent person vs. a short delay.

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If we had the death penalty in Europe, would American women marry Europeans on death row?

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What´s your point, Boskho?

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What´s your point, Boskho?

Us Americans get embarrased enough *points to Kas's ICQ log* we need to fight back a bit don't we?
Personally I'm pretty strongly against the death penalty...

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Did that answer the question?

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These women aren't "only in Europe", we have a few here as well. They are typical weepy leftist borderline types, and the only really bad thing about them (aside from those that breed that is) is the occasional aid they give to these viscious and mostly psychopathic killers when they escape.

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haven't read it but why is it you americans refer to the left as being wimpish and soft?


the left almost brought the soviet union into europe and gave fascist governments a run for their money in many cases overthrowing them.


there's nothing "soft" in the left (at least in europe)

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haven't read it but why is it you americans refer to the left as being wimpish and soft?


the left almost brought the soviet union into europe and gave fascist governments a run for their money in many cases overthrowing them.


there's nothing "soft" in the left (at least in europe)


Many of our lefties are soft, so perhaps that's part of it. Most of them come from affluence or comfort, and almost none of them from rural areas or hard core inner cities. I am aware that the two terms are not interchangeable though. Look at the wording in my post (which you quoted) as a list of attributes rather than one complex one. Thus these women tend to be weepy, lefty, and crazy.

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maybe that's the difference. most of our left comes from the working classes.

there are the exceptions of the rich kids turning "left" to piss of their parents of course...

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also many people from the left have in the past given their lives for freedom and democracy in Greece. They have been torturted, killed, exiled but they kept on fighting and won at the end.

so the left has a VERY strong FIGHTING conotation here.

now they are in power though and have become soft themselves

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Thus these women tend to be weepy, lefty, and crazy.

You mean like this one:

I knew it was the right thing to do. It was God's will," said Floyd, a committed Christian who converted her husband from Islam and says he has "found an inner glow."



Us lefties don't have a monopoly on crazies, although it seems like we come pretty close some times...

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She might not be crazy. Remember there should be a DNA test and the man might be innocent.

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Us Americans get embarrased enough *points to Kas's ICQ log* we need to fight back a bit don't we?
Personally I'm pretty strongly against the death penalty...


hmmm.... That gives me an idea for a thread.

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Us Americans get embarrased enough *points to Kas's ICQ log* we need to fight back a bit don't we?
Personally I'm pretty strongly against the death penalty...


I wouldn´t say that this is typical european behaviour, more bleeding heart liberal behaviour...

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Is it possible that these women are marrying these men to get US citizenship, knowing that their supposed husbands are going to die. No muss, no fuss. If so, these women are not as dumb as they appear to be. Just a thought.

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Is it possible that these women are marrying these men to get US citizenship, knowing that their supposed husbands are going to die. No muss, no fuss. If so, these women are not as dumb as they appear to be. Just a thought.

Rich

What would be the interrest, for a european, educated women, of becoming an american widow? Does it pay so much?
Is there no easier way for a european to get US citizenship?

, no, I just believe they get cought in some helper-falls-in-love-with-someone-in-need syndrome. Something titillating their maternal streak in that irresponsible boy in need.
How much do you bet that 80% of those weddings end up with a divorce once the guy comes out of jail? ... when the guy is no boy anymore, but a man?

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That's part of my point, these guys are not getting out of jail so the risk to these women is minimized. Heck most of them don't ever have to sleep with them. In most of the examples, these women moved to the US to be closer to their man. HOW CONVENIENT. It's a lot easier to get US citizenship through marriage then any other way.

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Why would any European want American citizenship anyway unless they were nuts?

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Apparently they do. Not surprising at all.
The US is still the number 1 country in the world in terms of the number of immigrants that want to become citizens of. The whole world can't be all wrong.

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It's a lot easier to get US citizenship through marriage then any other way.

Even with a convicted criminal?
Why are mostly western-european women involved there? Shouldn't eastern european - at least, but also - african, asian, south-american women try it also?
As long as the guy is in jail, I guess they receive no financial support... not what I should call an easy life. And once - if that even happen one day - he is dead...
...errr, wait... if US citizenship is their goal... then they should wish the death penalty to be applied asap... All that compassion comedy while they wish exactly the opposite... the b!tc#e$.
Are there so many lone women trying to emmigrate to the US?

I don't say no, but it's hard to believe.

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Why would any European want American citizenship anyway unless they were nuts?


To watch the new Simpson's episodes.

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Why western European women instead of eastern. Quite simple....more access to the internet for opportunities to meet these wonderful examples of man.

I agree with you that their loathing for the death penalty is just a front since they know they can't influence it. That would explain the serial killers wives. They're sure their hubbies will never see the light of day again. Perfect for them.

It's the perfect scam. These women may not be as crazy as you think. And I for one don't mind seeing the convicts get scammed over the internet, since it's usually the other way around.

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Most of those due for death penatly are innocent though

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The US is still the number 1 country in the world in terms of the number of immigrants that want to become citizens of. The whole world can't be all wrong.


SHOW ME THE STATS!!!!

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Sorry, I looked and found no source that gave a simple summary. But reading the sites that I did, it's not even close, the US is by far the leader. (and this only counted legal aliens) The estimates for illegal aliens were unbelievable. The world does vote with it's feet.

Rich

Feel free to do a google search and check out a few sites. It will be obvious to you quickly. Check out individual countries' statistics and compare them to the US INS numbers. Let me know if you find a the summary, that I was unable to.

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6 million valid registrations for the diversity lottery this year. 3 million invalid.

I think the immigration visa waiting list stands at something like 5 or 6 million. Maybe Lancer would have a better idea.

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That's part of my point, these guys are not getting out of jail so the risk to these women is minimized. Heck most of them don't ever have to sleep with them. In most of the examples, these women moved to the US to be closer to their man. HOW CONVENIENT. It's a lot easier to get US citizenship through marriage then any other way.


The only problem with that theory is that there's no need for any Western European with an education to go the marriage way - you can live in the US anyway if you get a job (which is easy to both get and motivate if you have a degree) and after a couple of years you can become a citizen should you wish so.

As for the unskilled, uneducated ones, they'd have to be mad to leave the welfare states of Europe to try out their chances in the US, unless that chance just so happens to be mister $. Can't see that coming from a death row inmate, though.

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Not as easy as you think, (as I was reading through the regs looking for statistics.) Marriage is much much easier and quicker. And from a money aspect, the women stand to inherit the rights to their husbands stories. Could be lucrative, you never know.

I guess this just sounds so weird that a women would be attracted to marry a mass murderer without some type of alterior motive. If it's up and up, the only alternative is that these women are really crazy.

Rich

 
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