08-08-2002 05:27									#121
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Well here is a newer version (there may be errors, I haven't proofread it myself yet so don't be surprised by that). Tell me what you reckon. Although I have no eye for aesthetics so advice on layout is appreciated.

Attachment: cv2.doc
This has been downloaded 19 time(s).

	08-08-2002 05:28									#122
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I go down the pub a lot and play on the computer...I suppose everyone embellishes the truth a bit when it comes to that one...

	08-08-2002 05:38									#123
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ok i just browsed through it.


my advice would be to concretely separate it like thus:
(translating from greek but u'll get the gist)

1) Studies (education)

your education from highscool onward

2) experience

your working experience on the field.

3) epimorphossi err like seminars which you followed etc etc everything that has to do with your education/job


4) languages
(the foreign languages u know - might not be necessairy for your field)

5) other knmowledge (working with word and win for example - computers etc)

6) extra curicular activitites (will get back on that one)

7) army service done - but if its not obligatory scratch that too


keep everything from 1 to 3 lines.


for example:


1998-2002 University of Athens Mass Communications and Media. Degree: magna cvm laude or whatever it is in latin (your GPA if its high enough)

or

1999: Proficiency in english language. University of cambridge garde B.

or

march. 2000- Jun 2000 Seminar on electronic mass media. Institute of bl;ah b;lah blah

etc

you get the plan

now about the extra curicular activities

erase them

all of them.

they are not interested in all this you write. really. and it hurts you.

keep it short and simple

example: reading, sweaming, music, literature

etc
etc

that would be my advice PH

	08-08-2002 05:43									#124
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 3) epimorphossi err like seminars which you followed etc etc everything that has to do with your education/job

Well anything relevent to education goes under education, I can't think of anything else that wouldn't fit under there. There are no other courses other than those listed.

quote: 4) languages (the foreign languages u know - might not be necessairy for your field)

A crappy bit of French, so let's not draw attention to that one

quote: 5) other knmowledge (working with word and win for example - computers etc)

Yeah, under IT skills, not really any other random skills I could list.

quote: 6) extra curicular activitites (will get back on that one)

Yeah, done, but I can't help it if I don't go absailing, parachuting and bungee jumping every weekend. I am just a normal bloke when it comes to what I do in my social life.

quote: 7) army service done - but if its not obligatory scratch that too

Irrelevent.

quote: now about the extra curicular activities erase them all of them. they are not interested in all this you write. really. and it hurts you. keep it short and simple example: reading, sweaming, music, literature etc etc that would be my advice PH

Well I am trying to explain who I am as well, they like to know that you do something else with your life.

	08-08-2002 05:44									#125
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Well any corrections are going to have to wait until tomorrow. Keep talking away, I will catch up with it all tomorrow evening...besides, I have two applications to complete then as well, so I would like this CV up and running by then.

	08-08-2002 05:45									#126
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I may have a quick sneaky check during the daytime though

	08-08-2002 05:49									#127
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yes you have already classified them more or less like that.

some pointers though:


experience and then experience and skills isnt it rebundant? or maybe thats the way it is written in english?

also some dates would be good both for clarity and classification as well as keeping the whole thing even more tidy

maybe a bit shorter explanations?


again, that's just my advice, nothing more.


about the extra curicular, no I REALLY think you have this wrong PH. They dont care abd it comes across a bit oddly IMO. just be precise and with little words.


i.e. i take my car and go to the countryside and meet friends etc

can be written like:

excursions.


simple and they dont care for you to elaborate.


again thats just my advice.

	08-08-2002 05:50									#128
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As with your girl troubles Provost, I think the only solution is for you to get a new head.

	08-08-2002 05:52									#129
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Well anything relevent to education goes under education, I can't think of anything else that wouldn't fit under there. There are no other courses other than those listed.

that might be seminars u might have attended that are ourtside of your "normal university classes"

organized by your uni or another institute but which do not fall under your normal education classes. (again iof that fits then do it - u know better about what u did )

	08-08-2002 05:53									#130
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Under every item include features, advantages and benifits to thier company of course. Which means you have to know the company and what they need.
Generally speaking the receptionist knows all that strike up a conversation.

	08-08-2002 05:55									#131
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse As with your girl troubles Provost, I think the only solution is for you to get a new head.

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	08-08-2002 05:56									#132
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Ouch!

	08-08-2002 05:58									#133
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IW: if you don't use I very well may!!!

	08-08-2002 06:22									#134
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I'm waiting 'til Mike admits he's wrong. Then I'll change

	08-08-2002 07:07									#135
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Could be a long wait

	08-08-2002 11:35									#136
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 for extracuricular activities u put sh!t like music theater cinema literature stuff like that (things that u actually DO of course) if you play a musical instrument yyou can put that too if you go mountain climbing (which I doubt - who does) put that in that sort of stuff

Is this stuff important? I haven't got any extraciricular stuff listed on my CV. Is that a mistake or do managers usually ignore this stuff?

	08-08-2002 11:45									#137
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PH:

This is what Britan gets for putting so many young Uni students on the dole instead of making them get jobs

	08-08-2002 13:50									#138
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Nevermind.

Last edited by Urban Ranger on 08-08-2002 at 13:55

	08-08-2002 14:01									#139
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai Is this stuff important? I haven't got any extraciricular stuff listed on my CV. Is that a mistake or do managers usually ignore this stuff?

The conventional wisdom is this stuff is not important but it can help if it shows you in a positive light.

	08-08-2002 14:23									#140
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The only point I'd add is to reinforce something Paiktis noted.
Don't try and tell them everything. Many aspects of your qualifications, particularly relating to thesis/research work are explained more effectively in person. Be brief and give a summary rather than going into too many details. Leave yourself room to elaborate during an interview.
Maybe tone down the IT bit too. Leave out the adjectives. Phrases like "highly" qualified are very subjective anyway and, even though truthful, it's the sort of phrase that may be used by somebody trying to embellish their resumes.

Similarly for interests/activities - Most of those you've noted can be summed with single words - swimming, vehicle maintainance, bowling, etc.
Treat your CV a bit like an advertisement - you're paying for it by the letter.

Last edited by ravagon on 08-08-2002 at 14:47

	08-08-2002 14:37									#141
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I'm still not liking that header. I like to see the address written line by line. Might just be me. I think it's an improvement though.

I like the education and experience sections a lot more, you still have to proof read them so no comments on those yet. Except one major one, you have a section titled experience and later on you have Skills and Experience.

Driving license in skills not other interests? I think it'd be better not to put anything in than put car maintenance as an interest.

I would ditch travelling round the country to see friends as an other interest. The music one is good though.

You might want to think about some of the language and make it slightly less stilted. It's quite hard to read sometimes and feels uncomfortable and sometimes you start sentences halfway though eg.

· Principally general laboratory duties such as preparatory work and equipment maintenance.

What you mean is:

My responsibilities were principally general laboratory duties such as preparatory work and equipment maintenance.

I also assisted in clinical trials unit involved with respiratory function work, maintaining equipment and ensuring equipment was accurate and was used to appropriate guidelines for trial.

(notice the tense change, you are talking about a job in the past why are you using present tense?)

	08-08-2002 14:38									#142
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quote: Originally posted by ravagon The only point I'd add is to reinforce something Paiktis noted. Don't try and tell them everything. Many aspects of your qualifications, particularly relating to thesis/research work are explained more effectively in person. Be brief and give a summary rather than going into too many details. Leave yourself room to elaborate during an interview. Maybe tone down the IT bit to. Leave out the adjectives. Phrases like "highly" qualified are very subjective anyway and, even though truthful, it's the sort of phrase that may be used by somebody trying to embellish their chances. Similarly for interests/activities - Most of those you've noted can be summed with single words - swimming, vehicle maintainance, bowling, etc. Treat your CV a bit like an advertisement - you're paying for it by the letter.

Yep. I think I tried to say that yesterday.

	08-08-2002 15:11									#143
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH maintaining equipment and ensuring equipment was accurate

I'd use the word calibration in there too somewhere, I think.
The tense used shouldn't really matter as long as its consistent throughout.

	08-08-2002 15:44									#144
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Well yes but I'd say constistently in the past would be best.

I was copying his text, I don't know enough about what he was doing to change the technical details.

	08-08-2002 16:29									#145
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For some reason I can't download your cv file. Anyway, a bit of unorthodox advice: If your problem is with self confidence (and the quote about the old job sounded whiny) or self advertising, you might try writing a cv or letter after 2-4 beers.

As I hate the blah in cvs, filings, projects etc, I have done that a couple of times. Just make sure to check the content (and the spelling) when sober.

	08-08-2002 16:51									#146
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So you have to be sober to get a job nowadays? Oh, what have the world turned in to!?

	08-08-2002 18:15									#147
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You know, only writing when drunk would explain so much about the little nuggets of wisdom you see fit to share with us here, Roland.

Perhaps you should follow your own recommendation and go over it with the edit erasor when you're sober, however occasionally that may happen?

	08-08-2002 18:47									#148
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You just managed to be even more lame assed than your usual parrot lines.

	08-08-2002 18:57									#149
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And I bet you'll be sorry you wrote that once you sober up!

	08-08-2002 19:05									#150
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Give it up, darling. If you manage to put together a halfway decent troll let me know.