08-08-2002 07:44									#31
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About circumcision making sex less pleasurable for the man, this is a tough subject. The head is less sensitive if it is circumsized. This can be good though. It means the guy can last longer, which is better for the girl. This can mean more sex and a better chance at a lasting relationship.

	08-08-2002 07:46									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse About circumcision making sex less pleasurable for the man, this is a tough subject. The head is less sensitive if it is circumsized. This can be good though. It means the guy can last longer, which is better for the girl. This can mean more sex and a better chance at a lasting relationship.

It doesn't necessarily mean the guy can last longer, it means it's just less intense.

If you want to last longer, learn to condition yourself. Don't go so fast, also. The solution isn't to cut off the nerves so it's less sensitive...

Uncircumcised men can last as long as circumcised men. It's just that one of the two groups gets more pleasure out of sex than the others. One never requires personal lubricant for themselves either. Think of the time and money saved!

	08-08-2002 07:46									#33
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From personal experience, I know uncircumcized men can last quite a long, long time.

	08-08-2002 07:49									#34
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Personally, I don't see what the big deal is about the issue. It's not like a kid is going to be deprived in an signifigant way if he is cut.

	08-08-2002 07:49									#35
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I really appreciate all the advice everyone has given, it's very helpful. I'm steadily being swayed towards not having it done. None of the few posters who agreed with circumcision seemed to have any reasons. And why should you do something without reason?

	08-08-2002 07:52									#36
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Personally, I don't see what the big deal is about the issue. It's not like a kid is going to be deprived in an signifigant way if he is cut.

He's also not going to be deprived in a significant way if you cut off a random toe. Doesn't mean it should be done...

And just because it's done out of habit doesn't mean it should still be done.

Then again even if we cut a toe off of each baby, there would still be proponents claiming it prevents pain later in life because they never will stub that toe again.

	08-08-2002 07:54									#37
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Tandee, if you decide that way, though, you better be well-prepared to convince your husband. IIWY, I would have the medical statements against circumcision available when discussing it, so the rationale is clear.

DD: Circumcision is potentially dangerous and can lead to deformation and other such things. Why do it when it is unneccessary? Especially to a baby that can't make the decision itself?

	08-08-2002 07:55									#38
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You are supposed to circumsize your kid. I mean, not cutting it would be like leaving the umbilical cord! God told us to do it, and it has been proven that it is cleaner. If it lowered pleasure then my parents wouldn't have circumsized me. It would be horrible to have to be circumsized as an adult because you would remember it and the wound would take longer ot heal.

	08-08-2002 07:55									#39
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc It's not like a kid is going to be deprived in an signifigant way if he is cut.

Well, I'm not quite sure if this is the case, that's why I'm asking. I think Boris has a unique perspective, and he seems to think you're wrong.

And that's not even the half of it. The other concern is the bad things that could happen if it is done, some of which we may not be fully aware of. If female mutilation was practiced by no fewer than two of the world's major religions, would it seem right and normal? ::shudders::

	08-08-2002 07:55									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Asher He's also not going to be deprived in a significant way if you cut off a random toe.

Now you're just being hysterical.

	08-08-2002 07:56									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Asher It doesn't necessarily mean the guy can last longer, it means it's just less intense.

Typically though, it does mean the guy can last longer.

quote: Originally posted by Asher If you want to last longer, learn to condition yourself. Don't go so fast, also. The solution isn't to cut off the nerves so it's less sensitive...

Yes those work too. Not all people are that smart.

quote: Originally posted by Asher Uncircumcised men can last as long as circumcised men. It's just that one of the two groups gets more pleasure out of sex than the others. One never requires personal lubricant for themselves either. Think of the time and money saved!

I'm being typically here. There are also some non-religious reasons not to masturbate so that lube is not needed. If there is another person involved, then you should never need lube if you do it right.

	08-08-2002 07:56									#42
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quote: Originally posted by King of Rasslin You are supposed to circumsize your kid. I mean, not cutting it would be like leaving the umbilical cord! God told us to do it, and it has been proven that it is cleaner. If it lowered pleasure then my parents wouldn't have circumsized me. It would be horrible to have to be circumsized as an adult because you would remember it and the wound would take longer ot heal.

You see what circumcision does to you? It goes straight to your head!

	08-08-2002 07:58									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse Typically though, it does mean the guy can last longer.

You have experience?
I don't have nearly as much experience as Boris, but I haven't seen it either.

quote: I'm being typically here. There are also some non-religious reasons not to masturbate so that lube is not needed.

But then you need to spend more money doing the laundry!

	08-08-2002 08:00									#44
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I always go got the banana choice.

But seriously, no, I don't think so. I think it hinders development and besides why would God make you be born with the foreskin if it wasn't natural. Its just a religious flaw.

	08-08-2002 08:00									#45
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Boris: I don't particularly care about the issue to the extent that some of the people in this thread seem to. I can only speak from my personal experience that being cut has not handicapped my life in any noticable way.

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	08-08-2002 08:01									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Asher You have experience? I don't have nearly as much experience as Boris, but I haven't seen it either.

No, but I've read studies on this back when a friend of mine got pregnant. I was being the disturbingly nice guy I always am.

quote: But then you need to spend more money doing the laundry!

I don't understand what that meant, and I'm usually so good at catching meanings like that.

	08-08-2002 08:01									#47
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NO! Don't have it done. It's unnecessary. Besides, later in life, that little flap of skin may be useful for something.

I haven't figured out what yet, but hey? Ya never know, lol.

Congrats on having a boy, btw. I guess it would have been congrats on having a girl too though, eh?

	08-08-2002 08:03									#48
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quote: Originally posted by King of Rasslin You are supposed to circumsize your kid.

What the....?!?!

quote: I mean, not cutting it would be like leaving the umbilical cord!

...which falls of naturally and is only cut so it doesn't run into things before it does so...

quote: God told us to do it,

If you'd read my posts, you'd know I disagree.

quote: and it has been proven that it is cleaner.

Nothing ever stays clean unless you clean it.

quote: If it lowered pleasure then my parents wouldn't have circumsized me.

Well, I hate to bring this up, but maybe they didn't care about that enough to let it influence their decision, or maybe they didn't know.

quote: It would be horrible to have to be circumsized as an adult because you would remember it and the wound would take longer ot heal.

Well, let's all hope that no one would ever HAVE to be. And how do know there aren't wounds of which you're not aware?

	08-08-2002 08:05									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Apocalypse Not all people are that smart.

Which is always a problem anyway...

	08-08-2002 08:06									#50
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Boris: I don't particularly care about the issue to the extent that some of the people in this thread seem to. I can only speak from my personal experience that being cut has handicapped my life in any noticable way.

Just because it hasn't hurt you, AFAYK, doesn't mean that's a good reason to do it. And since you haven't had the luxury of having a foreskin, you don't know what you're missing, I guess.

I certainly sometimes get jealous of those unshorn bastards...

	08-08-2002 08:12									#51
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If you want your kid to have any possibility of being a porn star you better snip him. It's kind of an unspoken code.

In all seriousness though, I'm snipped and I have no idea what it's like not to be. I suppose leaving it up to him would be a good choice, and it may appease the in-laws for the time being.

What if you child decides to become a devout Muslim, despite how you raise him?

	08-08-2002 08:24									#52
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX What if you child decides to become a devout Muslim, despite how you raise him?

I think the chances of that not happening are much greater than of it happening.

	08-08-2002 08:25									#53
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And, if it does, he can always choose to be circumcized then.

But he can't go back the other direction.

	08-08-2002 08:26									#54
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I was about to say that.

	08-08-2002 08:27									#55
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You can go back, it's just a more expensive and difficult process and leaves horrible scarring.

	08-08-2002 08:28									#56
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Too f*ckin' bad, slowpoke!

EDIT: Um, responding to Frogger, not Asher...

	08-08-2002 08:32									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov And, if it does, he can always choose to be circumcized then.

Yes, I'm sure if he turns out to be the kind of person who, despite my perfect and logical upbringing, still chooses to be religious, he'd also be the kind of person who would want to undergo pain for his religion.

	08-08-2002 08:35									#58
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Wouldn't be bitter at all, would you...

	08-08-2002 08:38									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Frogger Wouldn't be bitter at all, would you...

Who? Me? No... of course not... I'm logical.

	08-08-2002 09:05									#60
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I don't think it's that big of a deal either way. I'm circumcized, but my dad wasn't. Doesn't seem to have affected us one way or another wrt sexuality.

I do think that there are some health benefits to circumcision, but as Dino's article points out, the costs come out at about a wash. The penile cancer and STD issues do show a net benefit for circumcision, however.

Overall, I don't think this is something to worry about on principle. If your hubbie would feel more comfortable if his boys are cut, I don't think it's worth getting him worked up over, even for 5 minutes. I mean, do you bring around pork a lot?