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notyoueither
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of naught
Aug 2001
time: 22:21
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What, no rotten tomatoes yet? OK maybe I haven't given you adequate opportunity to load your weapons. Perhaps when I am done you will have had time.
It struck me a long while ago that we had somewhat short circuited the process of arriving at a good constitution to allow an effective code of laws and body politic. How, you ask?
Well, most of the constitution was written or otherwise assembled by a single individual or small group with little or no awareness that the whole must be a simple, coherent document that could stand the test of time and trials. Surely they meant well. I am convinced that Trip and others did only what they felt was necessary to get the game on the road. That they did.
What they did not do is allow a single process of thoughtful deliberation to formulate a single, coherent plan and then put that to the people for approval. Yes, amendments can and must come later, however we are experiencing the amendment of the month (or week). This is no way to run a nation.
The original constitution would serve very well for a democratic game of 30 or 50 citizens. Most of the other demo games have that, or less. It does not serve well for a demo game of near 300. Here consensus is a time consuming thing to arrive at. Hence, we need a stong and durable constitution to both guide us in our dark hours and to free us to fulfil our destiny.
Is it too late to create such a document? Who would be tasked to debate it, write it, and present it back to us? How would that process be undertaken? Do we need it?
I open the topic to the citizens to consider (or to fire rotten vegetable matter at the author).
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carpathia
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Im with you notyoueither. We need a document that can act as supreme law of the land without being changed every twenty-four hours. Something that outlines the specific duties of each person and grants us the protection against any wrong doers. Im with you in calling for a debate to provide a rock solid constitution.
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Kramerman
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UT, Austin - The live music capital of the world
Jun 2002
time: 23:21
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If we make a new constitution, does this mean a revolution? Or would we just place it over the old constitution like a radical amenedment?
If I were to remake the constitution, to fix our problem of 300 players we could add a senate made of senators elected from each town/province/whatever. All the citizens of Apolytonia would have to claim residency in one of our cities (edit: notifying the proper authorities when they wish to move), and then they could vote for the governor of that city, the senator(s) from that city, and then vote for national officials like ministers and the prez. It would be up to Senators to represent their city in turnchats, by making elected official run turnchats I believe they could be made more organized. And I dont know how many people usually atend a turnchat, but this would probably reduce the number of people also contributing to the coherentness of turn chats. Senators would also pass 'laws', or things that were laws or policies, but not quite amendments. The citizenry would still have to pass amendments and confirm justices, I think. Ministers should run with a vice-minister in their position, so if they can not make a turnchat (Ideally they both would make it), their suboordinate would be their to take over for them. The ministers jobs could also be performed by 3 ministers only - the duties of all our present ministers split amoong them. Just some initial ideas, Ill probably add more later.
Kman
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carpathia
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quote:
Originally posted by Kramerman
If I were to remake the constitution, to fix our problem of 300 players we could add a senate made of senators elected from each town/province/whatever. All the citizens of Apolytonia would have to claim residency in one of our cities (edit: notifying the proper authorities when they wish to move), and then they could vote for the governor of that city, the senator(s) from that city, and then vote for national officials like ministers and the prez. |
Yeah but think about how many elected officials we allready have. There is only three hundred people in Apolytonia. If we keep expanding and were to take each city and give it a governer and a senator then sooner or later Apolytonia would end up being a bunch of Senators and Governers. And that would make it like everyone is just a citizen because they will all end up with pretty much the same power. There going to be able to do what there allready doing. Debate a situation and take a poll on a corse of action. So then this original plan of action your insisting on would be a waste of time and be to time consuming for the public to pick a city to live in and then report it to the authorities. Just a little food for thought.
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carpathia
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How about this. We appoint ten of our most knowledgeable and respected people and we give them a set period of time. And during this time they debate and come up with Apolytons perfect constitution. I say we have he Justices and Ninot of course and any other able body leaders to draw up our new constitution. Just a thought though.
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carpathia
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How about seven then; President, Vice president, two Justices, two ministers, and one appointed citizen. The public has to have a representative.
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wervdon
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I'm with you as long as the passage of the new constitution is done through an ammendment to the old. Something like this would do:
Ammendment #whatever
Ammendment on the retirement of the first republic of Apolytonia
This ammendment will retire this entire constitutional document upon passage of the new constitution of Apolytonia by not less than two-thirds votes from the citizens, 2/3 defined as those who vote not the entire census. If the new constitution should fail to pass, this ammendment will sunset immediately and this constitution will remain in effect.
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Something like that should allow us to retire our original consitution and institute the new in a nice legal (non-bloody) way.
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