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Prifysgol Caerdydd
Dec 1999
time: 15:21
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Originally posted by Rick Elkins
Turn 228 to Tomas de Torquemada
Madrid's allegations of Spanish administration of the undersea rift is ludicrous in light of the fact that until recently Spain's feeble technology made them unable to even visit the rift, but instead were confined to bobbing far above it in primitive vessels.  |
Spain is disappointed that instead of trying to diffuse the situation, Greece has seen fit to increase tensions by hurling petty insults!
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Greece on the other hand has been building underwater settlers for many years, and has a legitimate claim to all undersea territory she has reached and claimed first. |
Spain has no problems with Greece building her underwater cities - just as long as she sticks to building them in her own backyard!!!
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The fact that a Spanish ship has sailed over this region does not mean that Spain's had ever actually reached the ocean's floor and claimed land. The ocean's bottom along the rift was empty and unclaimed when Greek sea settlers reached it. |
That the territory is unoccupied does not mean that it is unclaimed! Claiming the land above means claiming the land below - that is why international fishing rights are upheld as the fish swim underneath the surface! It is also why Oil Rigs, whilst on the surface, drill throught the ocean's floor!
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Greece had been hopeful that Spain would honour international law, but clearly Madrid is trying to provoke Athens , although our wrath is something you would be wise to avoid. |
Spain cannot be held to ransom by Greek interpretation of 'international law' and finds it rich that Greece talks of Spanish 'provocation', which she has been crawling all over Spanish territory like an unsightly rash!
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Join us in a reasonable solution to these frictions. Remove your Destroyer and we will move our Plasma Cruiser, and we can both return to a peaceful if delicate coexistence. |
Spain has joined Greece in a reasonable solution to these frictions by 'removing' Greece's Plasma Destroyer and reclaiming her Fisheries. All other incursions on Greek owned resources by Spanish forces in protest of Greece's illegal trespass have withdrawn...
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And speaking of our Plasma Cruiser, it's Captain reported seeing only a motley assortment of floating wooden boards at this location, so Greece does not understand Spain's allegation that she is on a fishery. |
Indeed, your Captain will have a closer look as he passes it on his way to the bottom of the ocean - think of this as Spain allowing a free Greek 'colonisation' of the ocean floor...
Naturally any aggression on Greece's part will result in the confiscation and destruction Greece's three illegal settlements of the Ocean Rift's 'West Bank'.
Spain hopes that Greece realises that her bluff has been called and has the good sense to make nothing more of the situation. A peace treaty has been offered and a diplomat will be along presently to resume diplomatic relations...
CREDO
Tomas de Torquemada
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Keygen
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Athens, Hellas
Jan 2000
time: 07:21
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Turn 230 to Rick.
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Rick Elkins
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New York City USA
Feb 2000
time: 00:21
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Turn 231 to Tomas de Torquemada
Last edited by Rick Elkins on 20-09-2002 at 19:49
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Keygen
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Athens, Hellas
Jan 2000
time: 07:21
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Turn 232 to Rick.
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Keygen
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Athens, Hellas
Jan 2000
time: 07:21
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Turn 233 to Rick.
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Rick Elkins
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New York City USA
Feb 2000
time: 00:21
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(see previous post)
Guys, thank-you for a very enjoyable game.  Over two years of twists and intrigues!
So many thanks to Mobius (Spain), who stayed for the entire game, as well as to Keygen (Wales), Birdman (France), Saddam (Inca), Hexagonian (1st ruler of Inca), Demosthenes (1st ruler of Wales), Stavros (Australia), Quinns (Inca), Thor (Inca) and all the short-term subs, not to mention St. Jon (1st ruler of France), who started the game!
And thank-you to the AI and Barbarians, who supplied useful slaves! 
Rick
Last edited by Rick Elkins on 20-09-2002 at 19:55
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Prifysgol Caerdydd
Dec 1999
time: 15:21
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Originally posted by Rick Elkins
I'm sure you're right that Jon would have attempted a bit of a backstab! |
LOL, that was absolutely guaranteed!!! The one constant about Jon’s strategies was that you KNEW you were going to be backstabbed in any game you played against him. Even as an ally, your back was liable to become akin to a kitchen knife block…
I know this from the inside as he asked me to sub him in the Semi Acc game and set in motion a backstab on Demos who was his ally at the time – I think an added dimension to his deviousness was that he thought that Demos wouldn’t suspicious about a sub…
Well, I did my duty – but I left it up to him to pull the trigger!
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But as Jon himself pointed out, one's reputation in these games follows one around, so knowing that Jon had used those sort of strategies in past games, I was fully expecting him to do the same in Love Conquers! And I acted accordingly. |
So did I – in fact IIRC my entire strategy was one of expecting an attack from Jon at any time. When it did come, in the form of a combined French/Inca attack I was able to beat it off and then go on the offensive with a pre emptive strike on Incan forces, adopt a defensive position on that front and take out the French piecemeal…
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In fact, I was disappointed to see him leave the game without first unleashing some truly nefarious plot! |
I think the nefarious plot was getting Stavros to attack me, with the likely promise of French help – that was until everyone else declared war on Stavros!
It would have been interesting if Hexagonian had stayed on as leader of the Inca, as IIRC he was quiet friendly with Stavros whereas Quinns was not – in the game…
*Sigh* I will miss LC!
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Rick Elkins
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New York City USA
Feb 2000
time: 00:21
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Originally posted by faded glory Jon a backstabber? What about Mobius? |
Big difference. Mobius may stab you, but he does it in the front, not the back! I've never seen him act dishonourably.
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Originally posted by faded glory Having to keep like 80 units tied up just waiting for his big push. |
The biggest problem with CTP is that the advantage goes hugely to the attacker. One cannot hold out as a defender against a more powerful attacker, so it would probably have been better to have used those 80-odd units first!!
And I agree about Hexagonian. He looked to have some sort of agreement with Stavros. Had he stayed, the dynamics of the game would have been very different, with Australia not being so isolated, and thus falling quickly (note that France never came to Australia's aid!! ).
What's more, as regent of Greece (while I was on vacation), Hexagonian embellished with boldness and invention what had been only general instructions from me, thus helping Mobius thwart a combined French/Inca nuclear attack against Spain. It had to be a difficult decision to go to war as a regent, even though I had told him to support Spain if she were attacked. And it was the right decision.
Then again, if Quinns had stayed, things would also have been different, what with all the friction between Inca and France at that time. I think the two of them would have ended up at war, with others no doubt entering the fray!
So many "what-ifs"...!
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hexagonian
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Gnawing on your mind...
Jun 1999
time: 23:21
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Congrats Rick- I'm proud to have a small hand in the victory march.
Congrats to Mobius and Keygen for surviving to the end.
Yeah, as leader of Inca, I had a nice slaving deal with Starvos and a nice tech trade deal with Rick. I think Starvos was ticked off when I dropped out - I can't say that I blame him either for that, but personal issues have a tendency to overrule gaming concerns.
Regarding the Greek attack on Inca while Greece was under my regency - it was an incredibly hard decision for me to make since Rick would of been the one that had to deal with any 'fallout' that would of occured. But I acted on what he laid out as his master plan.
Jon was a sneak, but he plays to win, and seeing how the game was going, it was inevitable that he would take a shot at the leader. To be totally honest, in looking at the powergraph, someone had to try to shake up the top.
And his end actions livened up an already entertaining game. Made for a good story.
You all are invited to try the CTP2 Cradle Mod now...
BTW, Mobius, I never trusted Jon in Semi Accl, and spent a lot of time trying to help Demos in this regard. It was not enough though...
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