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Turn 46 ==> Shavlor

In news today rumours are circling concerning
the rise of power of Bastion in the kingdom of the Native Americans. So not only has the Wise Demosthenes crushed an insidious cult which threaten to destroy the world. But it appears there may be a leader, who can bring much needed stability to the Native American.

Don't detach the AI yet though as I want to send a test file to Bastion, to see if he can play it on his Mac, he should be able to.
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	28-02-2000 04:27									#2
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Turn 46 --> Jon
Good to have the game rolling again.

	28-02-2000 05:13									#3
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The recent rumours surrounding the rise of new leader amongst the Native American's have not been without foundation.

Early this year an exceptionally agile brave by the name of Baston hurtled up the ranks during several key battles that did not escape the attentions of the elders of the collective tribes.

Baston was able to quickly worm his way up to a chieftanship of one of the outlying border settlements.

Taking advantage of the present instability this warrior-chief is attempting to usurp power into his hands.

This young warrior chief has been known for his high agression and ambition, but many reports leaking out also speak of his generosity and keen sense of interest in the world around him.

It seems firstly that if his coup attempt is successful he will embark upon some radical changes to the way the tribes are governed and deployed. Many of the remaining elders are now keen to keep the old order and as we speak civil war is gripping the capital as Bastn leadshis own personal force against the present corruptable leaders.

*** Sophanthro, i loaded up the turn on my macintosh no problem, i'd love to start and am keen to embellish the game with a good size of role playing

Let me know when i can start... my replies will be every night UK time (GMT).

	28-02-2000 06:41									#4
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Truly we are living in unstable times. The cult of the Celestial Dawn has been subdued, and once again the Native Americans undergo upheaval in the north.

Somebody should write a book.

"The Trials & Tribulations of SAPBEM"

	28-02-2000 17:33									#5
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Rumours abound that Baston has taken the capital. Reports however are as yet unconfirmed as there has been heavy fighting in and around the city.

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Turn 46 to Demos.

Hex. I checked over my Gold and nothing seens to have changed. Have you changed Governments?

The Austrailians welcome news of an iminent change of Government amongst the Eskimo people. Although we have not always enjoyed the best of relations with them we hope that under a more enlightened leader we can develope a positive and mutually profitable relationship.

	28-02-2000 21:53									#7
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No government change...

I do have a surplus of gold coming in each turn - going to the civ settings box confirms it, and it shows that after everything is paid, I have positive gold going into my savings.

Yet when I get my turn, the Rush Buy box is in the red... I lost 28 gold last turn. And I know I didn't rush buy anything.

Oh well, I'll just keep monitoring it.

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Turn 46 ==> Hex

Have checked the library. The extra units from CD are there. What do we do?

	29-02-2000 01:13									#9
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Demos,

Check and see if you are able to buy siege engines - they should still be available for purchase. If not, then this might not be an issue.

If you can, then what you may have to do is not buy any of CD's add-on units

Of course, this might only be the tip of the iceberg - you may eventually have planes with bombard capabilities (huge), your tech tree might be different (as I said before, your science becomes more expensive post-Rennaisance) and your trade goods will be worth less gold.

Check your trade goods - are most of them worth 5 gold? If so, then CDs Mod is definitely affecting gameplay.

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Turn 46/47 -> Sophix

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Turn 47 ==> Shavlor

Demosthenes when you recieve your turn please pass it to Baston. I've detached the AI.

	29-02-2000 09:26									#12
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Turn 47 --> Jon

The Romans welcome the new Native Americain nation with open arms and welcomes peace with them. The Romans wish to have a long and glorious friendship with them.

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Turn to Demos

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NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBES UNITE BEHIND A NEW LEADER

After a week of bitter fighting the capital has finally fallen to Baston's personal forces.

Attempting to flee from justice, the former leader was soon captured and after a show trial, publically executed in front of a cheering crowd.

Presently forming a new administration Baston is debating the best way forward, in terms of how this tribal confederacy should be governed.

Almost before the smoke had cleared Baston received words of congratulation from other world leaders, however based upon past history and personal experience as a young child he remains wary of Roman dominance in this part of the world.

He seeks, for the native americans, to shape them into a formidable power themselves. He has the complete backing of his people at present to undertake any task.

	01-03-2000 01:22									#15
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Turn 47 ==> Baston

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Turn 47 --> Hexagonian

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BASTON RULES A UNITED CONFEDERATION OF TRIBES

Now he is in a position of authority Baston has enacted sweeping reforms throughout the empire.

Three entire tribes were uprooted for their part in the heresey that was the former administration. As an iroquious he has shifted the capitol to that tribe and begun a large scale forced deportation of the remaining tribes.

Surveying his neighbours he finds himself in a strange position, the roman empire is truly huge and holds bad memories for this young brave.

To ensure a safe start Baston has agreed a temporary peace with the romans and has offered a peace to the australian nation.

However he has read through the "The Cwmbran Accords" recently sent to him and has had only these words to say.

"This appears more for the benefit of securing the welsh and roman empires! Where is the benefit for me people to sign this document? As i see none i shall not sign it..."

He is furious with the clerical work of the Australians, slowly undermining the ancestor worship that has been handed down from generation to generation in the Seminole tribe.

Baston has the following plans for his empire:
* Resttlement of the Tribes, and a massive public works scheme.
* Organisation of a large standing army, with its principle strength in defense.
* Missionaries will be expelled or killed. They are not welcome and will be consider to be a representative of your declaration of war.
* The The Cwmbran Accords will not be adhered to until they become broader in their aims.

Baston has stressed that the empire is undergoing tremendous upheavel at the moment, any intrusion will be seen as interfering and will be dealt with appropriately. The intentions of this new empire are PEACEFUL and it is kindly asked of all nations to not cause an uneccessary "incident".

	01-03-2000 04:31									#18
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Official Statement of HH St Jon the Beneficent

I welcome the arrival unto the cold dark lands, that is the home of the Eskimo people, of a new and hopefully more enlightened ruler.

Whilst we understand your angst about our missionary works amongst the savages of the Polar regions we wouldst that you understand the eagerness of my people to spread the one true faith, mine, unto the very ends of the Earth. I canst barely restrain them and seeing a land racked with unholy practices and without a steady hand to guide it's people they sought only to show them the path to true enlightenment.

Honourable Baston, you may rest easy with the knowledge that I have personally instructed them to desist from any further such actions and that any repitition is unlikely. Should it be that you instruct your peoples as to the true horrors of slavery and caution them to cease and desist from this vile practice then perhaps I might be able to offer a more concrete guarentee. Until such a pledge is received I fear that my flock may find that their zeal overcomes even my gentle advise to them.

It is to be hoped that all such petty differences can be put behind us and that we can join together in the only true cause of forstalling the sinful Roman World dominance that they seek.

May purity, sanctity and the love of our fellow man bring us together to confront the perils of this harsh and unforgiving World.

	01-03-2000 06:28									#19
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I have a problem, not with Baston, whom I welcome with open arms to this world - hopefully to bring some much-needed stability to the northern reaches...

Rather it is with the file he sent me - since he is working off a mac platform, my computer doesn't recognize it - I get an error message saying that the file is incompatible with my setup. I tried loading it as a normal PBEM (double-click) and tried placing it in a saved game folder and launching it through there. No luck, same message, same messy crash.

I know that Sophix and Baston tested the file - did you test to see if we would be able to open a file sent by a mac?

Any advice on this?

Hex

	01-03-2000 06:31									#20
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I hate repeating myself!!!!
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Damn

The Trials and Tribulations of SAPBEM was right, hmm nope I didn't check for that
My experience with trying to get MS word to read an .xls made on Star Office should have taught me to do that.

The Question is will Baston overcome this new uprising or will the world remain a land of X86 rulers only.

Im going to try and get this worked out with Baston.

	01-03-2000 07:39									#22
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Hmm I just remember having a problem like that once when the file failed to download correctly, I hope thats it.

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Perhaps it would be worth detaching me until this is resolved?

I don't want to hold up the relatively speedy turns you all have any longer than i have too...

I had to set up pc to mac file translation to get it working, but it did and fine... i have the dutcheese scenario pack installed - could that be affecting it????
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Well, it seems that we're destined to face these problems doesn't it? It will all turn out for the best. If we could work out my problem (somehow)then this should be a breeze.

Maybe.

	01-03-2000 20:51									#25
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The download issue seemed to be OK. The file appeared in the correct format (based on the file icon) - the turn would go through the process of launching and then crash with the 'incompatible message'

When I placed the file in the 'saved game' folder, it didn't even show up - CTP will not recognize any files that do not conform to its setup - which makes sense anyhow.

Cross platform files are fickle - I work on a mac and it seems that the incompatibility issue seems to be more of a problem if you go from a mac to a pc rather than the other way around.

But I'm no expert in those issues...

Dutcheese shouldn't be the issue either - but who knows how the files work on the mac side.

Don't know if this will help in the process, but my setup is
Patch 1.2
Hack Patch 1.21
Apolyton Pack
Dutcheese
Quicker

...plus a variety of scenarios, which do not affect any default files. In fact, the only default files changed are those spelled out in the Apolyton Pack and Dutcheese.

	02-03-2000 00:25									#26
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Demosthenes of the Welsh and Shavlor of the Romans are pleased to announce on St. Davids day, the patron Saint of Wales, the signing of a treaty to ensure a period of peace and prosperity for both of our nations.

The Cwmbran Accords

1. The unmolested settlement of the city of Cwmbran.

2. The removal of the fortified mounted archer to a distance outside the
city limits of Cwmbran as a border guard.

3. The official border between the Kingdoms of Demosthenes of the Welsh
and Shavlor of the Romans being between Cwmbran and Caesarea.

4. The prohibition of violence against the Welsh by the Romans, and
against the Romans by the Welsh.

5. The prohibition of covert attacks against the Welsh by the Romans,
and against the Romans by the Welsh.

6. The removal of units stopping goods production and trade, both inland
and offshore.

All six points will be upheld for not less than twenty (20) turns.

We were originally in favour of have Baston as a neutral signatory, yet he seems unwilling to commit himself to our course of peace. Let that be a reminder to everyone else out there. Therefore, Shavlor and myself hope that our more peaceful minded neighbours will acknowledge and accept our bid for peace, and help us to ensure that both parties keep to the treaty.

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I had misinterpretated the treaty as something directed at me, rather than for me to act as a neutral.

To this effect Baston will gladly sign the document if the welsh and romans are willing to forgive my careless rantings.

	02-03-2000 01:29									#28
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Australian Diplomatic Statement.

We are somewhat concerned that a Treaty between our Welsh allies and the satanic menace that is Shavlor's Rome should have been signed without the Honourable Demosthenes having thought to inform us.

We regard this as at best discourtesy on his part and would appreciate clarification as to where Welsh/Australian relations stand now. It is important for our future plans to know upon just who we can rely and think it unlikely that any who would stoop to supping from the same cup as Distemper himself will prove a true friend.

	02-03-2000 04:52									#29
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Neighbourly Australians,

Fear not, this settlement between the Welsh and Roman kingdoms is not a subterfuge. What is included in the Cwmbran Accords is exactly what the treaty is.

The treaty only benefits our nations through the promise of peace, nothing more, nothing less. The secrecy was only used to make sure that an agreement could be reached. Afterall, Caerphilly is a city that has turned its back on our reverend St David, and we feared a dissident uprising if people were to find out only half truths. By releasing the full truth in one sweep, we hoped that all reasonable people would accept the treaty for what it is, a bid for peace in a troublesome time.

Our secrecy was necessary, we meant no disrespect by it.

	02-03-2000 08:54									#30
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Great Leaders of the world

Peace is always welcome in a world full of sorrow, suffering and betrayal.

It is Hextapul's hope that Shavlor is truly repentant of his past action.

Now he has a chance to prove trustworthy even beyond the words of the treaty. I challange him to grant concessions to Demos to help pay for the costs of upholding his religion within the Welsh empire.

Say a gift of 1,000 gold to the coffers of the Welsh from the Romans...Based on a past betrayal from Shavlor of an alliance between Demos and Shavlor, this will prove to everyone beyond a shadow of a doubt that Shavlor truly means what he says.

However, this is an issue that needs to be resolved between Demos and Shavlor. I present this as a means to calm everyone regarding these troubled times.

BTW, any luck yet on fixing the compatibility problem?