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Frazer
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Crewe,Cheshire,UK
Aug 1999
time: 05:12
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Turn 34 to the English
Viking News Report:
The good citizens of the southern cities of Bornholm and Bergen are feeling uneasy about an increasing German military presence to the south of the Viking nation. Whilst there is no antagonism between the Vikings and the German there is at presence (contrary to some foreign reports) no official diplomatic relations between our nations.
It is known that a diplomatic team is heading south with the intention of establishing an embassy with the Germans. It is important to the security of both nations that an official border is established diplomatically and not by means of an arms race on border lands. Frazer will seek permission for a Viking diplomatic presence in Germany and it is to be hoped the great Viking nation will not be denied.
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Frazer could you please resend the turn I recieved turn 34 and I need turn 35.
John Whitman Englands Secretary of State, called a press conference from his office in London, he addressed two issues during the press conference. First he addressed the cannon who was spotted just outside of Norwich's border, " We apoligize for having our unit in SFU territory, he was returning home to Norwich when he was spotted by the Slavic calvary. The cannons had been out patroling during the crisis and when the land agreement was finalized, the cannons immediately started for Norwich. We would also like to mention the Slavic Calvary who was right outside Norwich last turn."
The second issue he addressed was the false rumour that England is communist, the confusion arose from the fact that England has a communist party. We actually have seven different political parties making up 3 coalitions they are, the Central Coalition made up of Republican, Federal, and Liberal parties holding 62% of the seats, they are coalition backing President Sophanthro. The National Coalition composed of the Military Glory party and the Nobility party, holding 25% of the seats. The Peoples coalition consisting of Socialist and Communist parties holding only 9% of seats. The remaining seats our held by independents.
[This message has been edited by Sophanthro (edited January 28, 2000).]
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Jon
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Chairmanship of the INC
In order to give this body any influence a free election must be held to decide it's Chairman.
Given that Ed is held to be unacceptable by the Slavs and Slamp is unwilling to assume the post there are only two possible neutral candidates.
Don of the Canadians
Frazer of the Vikings
The HIE hereby nominates Frazer as the most suitable candidate being both honest and impartial. No insult is intended to Don but having had no contact with the Canadians Ireland is unable to determine his veracity and cannot honestly endorse a candidate about whom we no nothing.
First Nominee + First Vote Cast.
We await the verdicts of other nations.
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Turn 35 ==> Klair
The English house has formed a special commitee in order to draw up an equitable proposal to fix the problems with INC, "All though we felt INC was fine the way it stood, we would like to create a body that no one would consider unfair" stated Alfred Nottingham chariman of the committee, their proposal is expected out later today.
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Duck Hunter
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Ft. Myers, Fl
Sep 1999
time: 05:12
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turn to Don.
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German map makers are drawing up our border today and should be done tomorrow. The final draft will be submitted to our neighbors for approval/ discussion.
President Ed - Germany
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The English committee believes to strengthen INC and make it a viable entity. Three ammendments must be made.
Article 6
1. Voting for the GS will be conducted in an open forum, and no veto will be accepted, because of the small pool from which to choose candidates.
2. The GS's power will be limited to reporting. As from now on any country can open a discussion on a given issue. No issue will be closed until voting is complete or it disapears due to lack of interest.
3. Dispute resolution. The voting in disputes will be secret ballot, only known to the current GS. This will prevent countries in a dispute from leveraging votes.
3a. To prevent fraud in voting, an independent auditor will be appointed if one country feels that the GS has lied about the votes. The Auditor will be appointed in the same manner that the GS is elected. The nations will then resubmit their votes to the independent auditor. This vote will be the final vote.
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Jon
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------------------NEWSFLASH------------------------
POPE JON DEAD STOP TERRORISTS SUSPECTED STOP
IRISH FLEET MUTINIES STOP OPENS FIRE ON DUBLIN STOP
MARTIAL LAW DECLARED STOP RIOTS IN EVERY CITY STOP
ALL AMBASSADORS RECALLED TO DUBLIN STOP
AMBASSADOR TO ENGLAND CLAIMS ASYLUM STOP
GOVERNMENT ON VERGE OF COLLAPSE STOP
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Luk
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Wroclaw, Lower Silesia, Poland
Mar 1999
time: 06:12
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The Statement of SC
We will not accept the organization without veto right. The international organization is not a Union or federation where the majority of votes can be used. The veto right is the guarantee of indepedience of all nations. The leader of all countries should have the approve of all countries. We cant accept the situation when 5 or 6 countries will form the alliance and will be domianting in this organization. This organization should be builded on the compromise. We are for German presidency and we will cast our vote for General Secretary to German Leader. We think it is the most compromise candidate.
I decided yesterday to attack the English Unit of Cannon because I dod not heared any signs from English that they want to repair the damages of this action. But in the last moment I decided to withdraw the action (first cavalerist started to moving to cannons but in the last moment General Molotov ordered to stop) aftre my meeting with Irish. Our relationships with Irish is better and we decided not to attack the English to not destroy this relationships and in the name of peace and we say strongly that if English will enter to our territory onesm more we will attack their unit. We didnt do it now because it was a first and we think last time. And we decided to expel the English Diplomats from our territory when they will be entering to it. If not, we do not do it. English diplomats have no rights to enter to our territory.
Head of SC and cohead of SFU,
Luk Castle
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Duck Hunter
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Ft. Myers, Fl
Sep 1999
time: 05:12
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***********GERMAN WORLD REPORT*********
German President Ed had the following comments released to the world about the INC proposals:
I do not have any specific things to add at this point, but I would like to add a few issues that we need to work out.
1. Veto. I can see this will be a tough issue for us all to decide. I hope that we will begin to see more input from the other nations, and not just the three most vocal. I see both sides (having veto and not having) In my mind, I think there will be times when we need to have veto power and other times, the majority rules. The hard part is determining which situations will call for veto power. When voting for GS, if veto power exsists, this could put the INC in a stand still. In the final draft, we need to be specific when a veto can be used.
2. The election of INC GS. I'm very proud that I was chosen as the first GS of the INC (The validity of that vote is in question, but I am proud of the majority support I have). In our INC charter, the length of GS term should be addressed. I mean, will the GS remain until one nation calls for another vote, or will we set a time limit. In either case, we must make a rule that the GS will remain in office during a vote. If it is election time for the GS, it will be delayed until a current crisis is over.
3. The power of the GS and the role he will play. I believe that the GS will not have much power but will help in negotiating conflicts. Gathering information, sharing information that needs to be spread, and being a leader.
I encourage the more silent leaders to give their input so we can make this organizationn something that everyone wants to be a part of. I also hope that the more vocal nations continue. We are making progress as a world. This is a time of peace now, and is the best time to work on this project.
Thank you. (i know this is long, thanks for reading it)
Ed
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Jon
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Turn 36 to Frazer.
The HIE is spiralling toward utter collapse and Civil war seems likely as open fighting broke out in Allenwood. A little known figure, Jon O'Doe, has emerged as the leader of the main opposition group, The Irish Free States Alliance. Also more popularly known as Jon the Misanthrope, because of his love of humanity, Mr O'Doe was recently released after serving 7 years of a 12 year sentence for 'Blasphemy' and 'Sedition'.
Leader of the Emergency Government, Cardinal Damocles, rejected claims of an end to the Empire and described Mr O'Doe as 'nothing more than a terrorist' and 'free elections to be a sin and an unnatural act'. Declaring the Army to be solidly behind him and that claims of mutiny in the Navy were exaggerated he assured the World that all dissident groups would be mercifully crushed and the ringleaders would be tortured to death for the good of their immortal souls.
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Klair
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Toulouse, France
Sep 1999
time: 05:12
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Turn 36 to Edgar
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Duck Hunter
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Ft. Myers, Fl
Sep 1999
time: 05:12
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kind of a quite week around here.
Klair, I haven't forgotten about those text files, I've been so busy at work I haven't gotten to it.
Anyway, I sent the turn to Don.
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DON
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We support the proposal put forth by the English goverment. We agree with President Ed that a veto vote will also lead to a stalemate and inaction. We call for the supporters of the veto vote to explain how we address this problem when the inevitable deadlock arises. What stops any particular country from constantly vetoing the vote when it doesn't get it's way.
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Jon
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Nothing!
Just why the UN has never worked.
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DON
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Exactly!!
It means one person is always dictating the the course of events instead of a group of individuals.
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Jon
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Turn 37 to Frazer
It's Official. The Empire is dead and Ireland has descended into Anarchy.
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Luk
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Wroclaw, Lower Silesia, Poland
Mar 1999
time: 06:12
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The Statement of SC
I think that our old proposition is very good. Veto right have all countries when:
1)In the international decisions which is affecting all nations
2)Election of GS
Th country have no right of veto when:
1)the target of the decision is the single Nation. That single Nation have no right of Veto. But every another country has the right of veto. For Example sanctions to English for unlawful occupation of Slav territories. All countries have a right of veto except English.
I think that is very good solution which defends the National Indepedience and do not paralise the organization.
In addition I would like to say that Slav Confederate will not join the org where majority of votes will be a fundament.
Head of SC and cohead of SFU,
Luk Castle
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Duck Hunter
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Ft. Myers, Fl
Sep 1999
time: 05:12
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NEWS OUT OF BERLIN :
I agree we need a veto in some form. So far, I agree most with Luk's idea, in principle. The veto needs to be availble on certain types of votes. The country in question, like Luk said, will not be able to veto. In his example of Norwich. I would argue that the SFU would lose its veto rights as well as English.
I don't think having a certain number of vetos would work.
2. GS.
Another option for the GS would be to set up a rotation. Every "X" turns the GS would change to the next leader in rotation. If we use this system, we would have to develope rules. If a nation is in the middle of a huge debate, it may not be best for that leader to take charge of the GS seat. But on this issue, I also believe an election could work. On a rotation, it may give everyone more of a chance to bring out issues they are concerned with.
If we elect the GS, I'm not sure if I agree with one vet holding up the vote.
Good talks so far. We are getting some good ideas, I hope we can start to finalize some of these ideas in the coming week. Are there other issues we need to be talking about as far as the INC logistics?
President Ed, Germany
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didn't get an update in this week, but not too much happened. I should be able to work it in after the weekend and I'll have extended info on the INC talks.
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Turn 37 -> Klair
The english proposal concerning veto only concerned the election of GS. The English government strongly backs veto right in dispute resolution, but with both the plaintif and the defendent losing both thier veto right and there voting right, but only on that specific issue. If we were to take Luk's example, neither the English, the Slav, and possibly the French could vote/veto (because the French and Slavs act as one entity when it comes to foreign policy, according to thier own statements)
The reasons for no veto power when voting for GS are as follows,
1. Every nation in the course of history will have some grievance with one of their neighbors. This is not yet the case, but as the amount of unsettled ariable land becomes less and less. The nations continue to expand and conflicts will inevitably rise.
2. England seeks to limit the GS's power to pure reporting of votes, and some mundane administrative tasks. If the GS is called into question his validity can always be verified by the auditor.
3. If no GS can be elected, INC will grind to a standstill, and become a worthless entity.
England is willing to support the cycling leader policy and of course if a conflict arises directly related to the current GS, an auditor will stand in to regulate the dispute.
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Klair
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Toulouse, France
Sep 1999
time: 05:12
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Sophrano, I didn't receive the turn; could you send it again ?
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Jon
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INC Irish Statement.
As Ireland enters a new age of political freedom the policy statement of the provisional Government is as follows.
1. The rota system of GS appointment is unworkable and undemocratic.
2. The post of GS must be decided by open election and all nations must retain the right of Veto of any candidate.
3. The post must be subject to re-election at periods of no more than 20 Turns.
4. The sitting GS should not be barred from re-election.
5. Once elected the GS should only be removed before their term ends if:
a) They become envolved in a state of War, in which case they should be required to stand down.
b) At any time a motion of 'no confidence' may be brought and if passed by a simple majority, no Veto, they should be dismissed from the post and fresh elections held.
6. The INC should be an organisation for consensus, arbitration and conflict resolution but should in no way act as a means of imposing unwelcome policies on individual nations.
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Duck Hunter
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Ft. Myers, Fl
Sep 1999
time: 05:12
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turn to Don.
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updated today. issue 6 Dutcheese Reporter
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DON
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Won't alliances influence the Veto votes? The ones concerning conflicts with two individual countries. Or will allies be denied their veto power?
Turn to luk
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Turn 38 ==> Klair
The English government realizes that the no veto measure will never be ratified. So will propose this article
Article 6
1. There will be two positions in INC, the GS, and the Auditor.
2. The position of Auditor will be as follows.
a. He will preside over issues in which the GS is directly involved.
b. He will preside over issues in which the GS is accused of fraudulent vote counting.
c. He will rule as GS, if the GS is voted out thru a no confidence vote. Until a new GS is elected.
d. He will assume the GS position if the GS steps down for personal reasons.
e. He will rule as GS if the current GS is vetoed in a reelection attempt. Until a new GS is elected.
f. A no confidence vote may called against the auditor, but only if a GS is presiding in office.
g. The auditor will be elected every 20 turns with the first election on turn 40.
h. If the Auditor comes up for reelection and GS position is empty, then the vote will be delayed until the position is filled.
i. If an Auditor is voted out thru no confidence, the newly elected Auditor will rule until the term expires: 20 turns from the last regular vote.
3. Ammendments To the position of GS.
a. A no confidence vote may called against the GS, but only if an Auditor is presiding in office.
b. The GS will be elected every 20 turns with the next election on turn 50.
c. If a veto occurs in an election in which the current GS is not vetoed, he will remain in power, until a new GS is elected.
d. If the GS comes up for reelection and auditor position is empty, then the vote will be delayed until the position is filled.
e. If a GS is voted out thru no confidence, the newly elected GS will rule until the term expires: 20 turns from the last regular vote.
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Duck Hunter
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Ft. Myers, Fl
Sep 1999
time: 05:12
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secret ballat may help keep the vote honest and take alliances out of the loop, partially. This will become a problem depending on who can gain from a decision. Especially if we ever come to the point of being a bi-polar world.
Just something to think about before bed.
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Klair
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Toulouse, France
Sep 1999
time: 05:12
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Turn 38 to Ed
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