22-08-2002 05:33									#31
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That wasnt my original understanding but I think that would be the way to go - it avoids trade blocs

	22-08-2002 07:33									#32
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OK, that's two against trade to other civs...please post all.

	22-08-2002 11:48									#33
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Um I like caras. By banning "trading" I assumed that ment techs, gold, maps, cities, etc..... in diplomacy.

since banning caras wasnt mentioned by name and everything else fell under rah rules I assumed caras were fair game.

	22-08-2002 12:17									#34
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mmmm, i thought no trading meant no trading... but I see your point.

See what the others say. I'm easy either way but prefer no cara trading. If a few players feel strongly about it we should allow it.

	22-08-2002 12:27									#35
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	22-08-2002 12:48									#36
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This is the boundary I was proposing to smartfart bad ass after I allowed his undefended Heliopolis to remain in tact. In return I asked him not to settle North of the border but he decided that the first to get a settler there could have it. I've now run out of land and regard his norther n cities as being on my land

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	22-08-2002 23:35									#37
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1. Heliopolis could have an archer very same turn when your unit arrived. Since we signed a peace treaty I decided to build a settler instead.

2. My units were next to your undefended cities later in the game.

3. I can't believe you actually expect me building where you say it's ok. To claim a land you need cities and units,something what Berzerker bring to our border.

4. I don't care about caravans. Either way is fine with me.

	23-08-2002 00:36									#38
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My problem with removing caras is this. While all the other things we've removed, tech trading, gold trading etc.... they haven't removed and viable civ building strategies from the game. Removing caravans gives a distinct advantage to those building large spralling empires over those who have small highly developed empires.

	23-08-2002 08:56									#39
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I have a wedding to go this saturday and that means I'll be one hour late.
Is 8:3o pm EST ok with all participants?

	23-08-2002 09:25									#40
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quote: Originally posted by SmartFart 1. Heliopolis could have an archer very same turn when your unit arrived. Since we signed a peace treaty I decided to build a settler instead. 2. My units were next to your undefended cities later in the game. 3. I can't believe you actually expect me building where you say it's ok. To claim a land you need cities and units,something what Berzerker bring to our border. 4. I don't care about caravans. Either way is fine with me.

he he

I been playing in too many diplos

...dipomacy/deals etc... I love the psychology of all that.

	23-08-2002 09:27									#41
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quote: Originally posted by SmartFart I have a wedding to go this saturday and that means I'll be one hour late. Is 8:3o pm EST ok with all participants?

yeah, fine by me.. just hope the AI doesn't build any Wonders in your first hour....

	23-08-2002 20:50									#42
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I was actually thinking about postponing a session for an hour. AI taking over isn't exactly to my likings.

	24-08-2002 08:08									#43
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quote: Originally posted by deity yeah, fine by me.. just hope the AI doesn't build any Wonders in your first hour....

I didn't know you liked fishing deity.

	24-08-2002 11:32									#44
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LOL @ smartfart!

Thanks Hydey, I knew someone would understand

	24-08-2002 11:35									#45
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smartfart can't make it and he's lined up markus to sub.

Not a good idea?

	24-08-2002 12:07									#46
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quote: Originally posted by SmartFart I was actually thinking about postponing a session for an hour. AI taking over isn't exactly to my likings.

I was joking smartfart!

Aussie humour is very sophisticated.. LOL

icq from smart:
"markus will sub for me this evening. I talked to my wife and I am pretty much sure i wont make it on time"

I have a family engagement too but I said I had a prior engagement to play civ with my reliable civ buddies. After all, this is meant to be a reliable players game and I regard online play just as important as a tennis engagement or anything else in real life.

Of course we'll wait till 8:30 or 9pm USA EDT, as far as I'm concerned.

But my experience is that subs mes things up, especially Markus...

If smartfart won't play I'll go to my family engagement. If all original players confirm they can play I will play, even if it is a late start.

	24-08-2002 22:11									#47
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You better play dang it..

	25-08-2002 02:20									#48
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ill p[lay and be looking for everyone between 8:30pm and 9:00pm est

	25-08-2002 03:16									#49
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Subs work in diplos (just) but my experience is that they stuff up games.
I've talked to my better half who wants me to go to this special breakfast. All week I said I couldn't go because I was playing in a reliable players game!
Anyway, the breakfast starts at 7:30pm USA EDT. If all the original players are online by 10pm I should be back and can then play a solid 4-5 hours...
This is potentially a great game so if the original players aren't available I would rather wait a week or schedule another session before then.

	25-08-2002 03:55									#50
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Taking such extreme steps to avoid markus pisses me off. Grow up you scared little babies.

	25-08-2002 03:57									#51
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Deity Dude doesn't want to play then. so I guess this game is another 1 session wonder.

	25-08-2002 04:34									#52
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No - I dont think that is the case - I just dont think we should be expected to change tjhe start time by 2 1/2 hours without notice. I understand the situation and am not angry at anyone. I hope no one will be angry with me. I plan on being here a 7:30pm next week.

	25-08-2002 04:44									#53
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I am angry at the people who hold grudges against other players and then won't allow them to sub into a game. DD just doesnt want to start the game at 11pm. I'd agree with that.

My point is....
I'd say subs don't ruin games, at least its the lesser of two evils when it comes to missing sessions. If you want to argue that point, fine be my guest. If I had organized this game we'd have played a session tonite. I'm going to out on a limb and say we didn't get to play because certain indivduals in the player group have irrational desputes with other players in the shrinking civ2mp pool which directly influanced tonite result, which is no game.

And the other thing is when you go into a "Super reiliable game" expect freaking subs. ANY sub. The whole idea is that the game will be played AT ALL COSTS. And not to let petty desputes with other players interfere with the game and the enjoyment of the other players.

	25-08-2002 07:02									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Frank Johnson Taking such extreme steps to avoid markus pisses me off. Grow up you scared little babies.

Makes you feel safe and secure sucking up to Daddy?

LOL!

	25-08-2002 07:08									#55
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What's wrong deity oh am I so exactly right that that's you're only defense? I've played maybe 3 games with markus...I couldn't care less who subs. I do care when games don't progress because people won't accept certain subs for reasons besides cheating.

	25-08-2002 07:10									#56
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Well, I'll be here next week as long as the baby hasn't spat the dummy...

	25-08-2002 07:12									#57
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I might have a last minute family engaugment.....I'm sure I can get markus to sub for me if that's the case though.

	25-08-2002 07:15									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Frank Johnson What's wrong deity oh am I so exactly right that that's you're only defense? I've played maybe 3 games with markus...I couldn't care less who subs. I do care when games don't progress because people won't accept certain subs for reasons besides cheating.

I simply said I didn't think it was a good idea to use subs. Because smartfart went out I felt that my family engagement should go ahead. I'm back now to play with whoever but I understand it's late and most aren't here. It's smartfart who gave the late notice which effected my plans.

	25-08-2002 07:40									#59
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For the record I'll play with whoever shows next week, including nominated subs.
AS I said in the intro post to this thread - this game was open to anyone.
I still think subs are a bad idea in non-diplo games but I agree it's better than no game at all.

	25-08-2002 08:12									#60
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quote: Originally posted by deity For the record I'll play with whoever shows next week, including nominated subs. AS I said in the intro post to this thread - this game was open to anyone.

Indeed...

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I don't think you subbing for smart is a good idea...
dd won't play you
and I'm not so sure either!