15-08-2002 05:38									#1
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The otherthrow of which leader to do you think would contribute most to world security/prosperity/peace etc.


Disclaimer:
This is a genuine attempt to gauge opinion - No offense is meant to either the American of Iraqi people

	15-08-2002 05:47									#2
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If one listens to the Kurd leader speak on the topic of Bush and America, you know how the oppressed peoples of Iraqi would vote.

Liberate Iraq!

	15-08-2002 05:49									#3
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I really wanted to vote for "The Top Banana."

	15-08-2002 05:50									#4
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Iraq needs to be liberated. It would be very sad and dispressing to see even one vote for GWB...

	15-08-2002 06:20									#5
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Perhaps both of them should be removed...
But not exactly "overthrown", maybe a more democratic way of handling things is in order.

The way the world is going on now is not exactly good and I donīt think that with Bush things will improve...

	15-08-2002 13:35									#6
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6 each - about right.

	15-08-2002 14:01									#7
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We definately need a regime change here in America. The dictator Bush, who used fraud in to steal the last election away from a moron, has repeatedly violated American's civil liberties, used chemical weapons on his own people, has a huge arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and has threatened numerous other countries with aggression.

	15-08-2002 14:04									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Joe R. Golowka We definately need a regime change here in America. The dictator Bush, who used fraud in to steal the last election away from a moron, has repeatedly violated American's civil liberties, used chemical weapons on his own people, has a huge arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and has threatened numerous other countries with aggression.

and he hasn't got a moustache

	15-08-2002 17:04									#9
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10 vs 10.

Cool.

Hey Joe - Coooool It! Bush is a moron and quite capable of destroying the world with his stupidity. Saddam is a monster but not exactly threatening the world right now. Choice is simple....

	15-08-2002 17:13									#10
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bush is in the lead now!

anyway, to be serious, i don't think disposing of either of them would lead to more stability. the ones i think need to go are sharon, and all the leaders of the palestinian terrorist cells.

	15-08-2002 17:27									#11
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Hmm, one homocidal maniac against another, tough choice... But since Saddam isnīt threatening world peace right now itīs gotta be Bush.

	15-08-2002 19:40									#12
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It took me less than one second to vote in that poll. The answer is so obvious...

	15-08-2002 19:43									#13
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The thing is that while Bush's removal would do more for world peace than Saddam, if he is removed that would collapse the American democracy thus hurting the stability and peace of the world. So I would have to say that while I would like to see Bush go, please wait till 2004.

	15-08-2002 21:19									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Joe R. Golowka We definately need a regime change here in America. The dictator Bush, who used fraud in to steal the last election away from a moron, has repeatedly violated American's civil liberties, used chemical weapons on his own people, has a huge arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and has threatened numerous other countries with aggression.

All I can say to a moronic statement such as this is F U.

	15-08-2002 21:35									#15
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Bush's impeachment and removal from office might lead to more improvements in stability/peace/etc. than Saddam's exile/death/whatever, simply because the US has more global influence than Iraq. However, "overthrowing" Bush would probably be disastrous, as it would most likely plunge the US into anarchy. Sorry, but anarchy in a nuclear power is never a good thing.

	16-08-2002 00:55									#16
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Those of you who opine negatively on Bush seem to me to be living in some kind of bizzare fantasy world. There are really evil people out there who mean us harm. To suggest that Bush is the problem is f**king unbelievable.

The critizism I have of Bush is that he has not been aggressive enough. For example, Saudi Arabia is a leading promoter of terrorism. But Bush and the Saudi's get along just fine, thank you. Perhaps Bush has a plan for the Saudi's, but many of us do not like coddling terrorist regimes.

	16-08-2002 01:06									#17
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I now know that 20 fools have voted for GWB out of their ignorance. Can those fools take this advice please: Find a door. Slam your head so ****ing hard against it so your head can start working again.

	16-08-2002 01:24									#18
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Fez, What beef do you have with Bush?

	16-08-2002 01:29									#19
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Are you suggesting that Bush is not evil? *snigger* American naivite can be refreshing, but honestly, don't apply it to world politics.

	16-08-2002 01:29									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Fez I now know that 20 fools have voted for GWB out of their ignorance. Can those fools take this advice please: Find a door. Slam your head so ****ing hard against it so your head can start working again.

Whoo perhaps you need a bit of help.

Perhaps a third option to take them both down would win if it was there. This way it is a hard choice.

But surely a leader of worlds only superpower can do more damage than a puny leader of an country that might be making some wicked weapons and wants to let inspectors in once he got frightened. (and who might die of old age soon as well).

	16-08-2002 01:34									#21
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Fez, seriously...get some help. An anger management course would do you a lot of good.

If the "regime change" in question is, for the U.S., an election that doesn't threaten stability, I vote Bush, by a hair, on the sheer fact that he has much more influence and his policies have much more impact on the world. He has, single-handedly, squandered every bit of good will to the U.S. around the world.

Still, Saddam should go as well. Anyone who gasses his own people needs to be gone. I just don't want a manufactured war to do it.

	16-08-2002 01:38									#22
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Boris, you get some help. And anybody who voted for removing Bush should get help too.

	16-08-2002 01:43									#23
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Fez, Again, what is your beef with Bush?

	16-08-2002 01:43									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Boris, you get some help. And anybody who voted for removing Bush should get help too.

Help overthrowing bush?

	16-08-2002 01:45									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Buck Birdseed Help overthrowing bush?

Help fixing what is screwed up with their heads.

	16-08-2002 01:45									#26
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BG, Define "squandered."

	16-08-2002 01:46									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Fez, What beef do you have with Bush?

Are you talking to me? I never said I was against Bush, Mr. monkey brains. Infact I have said again and again people who vote for having him removed need serious mental help.

	16-08-2002 01:50									#28
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Fez and Ned - Cool It willya. Use some logic - despite Sept 11 the USA is not universally popular and is picking up a reputation as an international bullyboy. Now why might that be? Well perhaps because the US is turning into an international bullyboy. Is this good for the world? No. Is this good for the US? Hmm in the shorterm probably but in the longer term? No.

Explain to me how supporting ther Israelis against the Palestinians is helping the cause of middle-east peace? Or perhaps how removing Saddam (settling old scores is a more accurate description of this) is going to help the US in the longer term? Toppling Saddam will undoubtedly lead to greater instability in the middle-east and I'm not sure that places like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Iraq & Syria need a popular upsurge of Islamic brotherly feeling right now. In case you hadn't noticed, the middle-east going up in flames would totally wreck the supply of oil to the west and when that happens - bye-bye world economy.

Now I realise that a lot of Americans struggle to see a longer view but surely anyone who attempts any meaningful analysis of the situation in the middle-east right now must see that what isn't needed right now is greater instability or anything that might lead to uprisings and an uopswell fo islamism in unstable countries which currently have (nominally) pro-western governments.

This doesn't mean that saddam is good but try and see things from a wider perspective that just 'ol "USA USA"! Bush's attempts to remove Saddam is not only potentially ruinous to us all, but is squandering all that pro-US feeling that the atrocities of Sept 11 caused.

Two wrongs do not make it right.....

	16-08-2002 01:54									#29
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I am not going to even argue with false reasoning.... I was in the middle of typing a long response, Spartak... but I found out that would be a very bad idea. Because it doesn't get into your's and among others head that America is not a bully. They just need somebody to bash so they go after America. Bigoted SOBs.

	16-08-2002 01:59									#30
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I'm sorry Fez, when you said "vote," I took you to mean "vote" for Bush in the US elections.