20-08-2002 16:31									#1
	SIGNS - This movie sucks major arse! Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Just saw M. Night Shyalaman's latest offering, and I have to say that it is truly a steaming pile of dung!

I loved 6th Sense and Unbreakable, but this was a poor effort with 'M' basically riding on his success. Basically IMO he's sold out by appealing to the lowest common denominator...

The previews on TV were excellent with nothing much really being given away (except it has stuff to do with sinister crop circles!). The film is very suspenseful and for the first half hour or so is very entertaining, but the actions of the characters seem inplausible during the middle and then everything seems to fall away very sharply with an absolutely ludicrous ending...

That and the completely banal 'message' just made me want to puke by the end...

Still, I guess if it was aimed at the same audience as all the 'dumb small town American' cliches liberally spread throughout the movie - then it's hit it's mark...

3/10 If only because it was a good start...

Can we have a :steamingdung: smiley please?

	20-08-2002 16:41									#2
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS The previews on TV were excellent

David Stratton on the "Movie Show" said it was crap.

	20-08-2002 17:22									#3
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The only rel complaint that I had with the movie was the girl. Overall, I thought it was OK.

	20-08-2002 17:37									#4
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I heard rumors that this movie is about ILLEGAL aliens...is that crap true??

tell me it isn't so...

	20-08-2002 17:43									#5
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"I'm an alien, I'm an illegal alien, I'm an Englishman in New York..."

	20-08-2002 18:04									#6
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saw it last night, i agree...it's a 2 star movie IMO. Not absolutely horrible, but pretty crappy. Those aliens are pretty much the most scientifically unreasonable in the history of science fiction

	20-08-2002 18:06									#7
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okay..so NOT about illegal aliens then??

	20-08-2002 20:03									#8
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what's the movie about?

	20-08-2002 20:28									#9
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Alright the aliens may be unreasonable but I liked the movie. I would give it a 7/10 - 8/10.

	20-08-2002 20:50									#10
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Just saw M. Night Shyalaman's latest offering, and I have to say that it is truly a steaming pile of dung! I loved 6th Sense and Unbreakable, but this was a poor effort with 'M' basically riding on his success. Basically IMO he's sold out by appealing to the lowest common denominator... The previews on TV were excellent with nothing much really being given away (except it has stuff to do with sinister crop circles!). The film is very suspenseful and for the first half hour or so is very entertaining, but the actions of the characters seem inplausible during the middle and then everything seems to fall away very sharply with an absolutely ludicrous ending... That and the completely banal 'message' just made me want to puke by the end... Still, I guess if it was aimed at the same audience as all the 'dumb small town American' cliches liberally spread throughout the movie - then it's hit it's mark... 3/10 If only because it was a good start... Can we have a :steamingdung: smiley please?

That is so nice of you to call everyone who liked the movie and enjoyed it, "dumb small town Americans."
It really shows YOUR intelligence.

God forbid if other people have different tastes or opinions from yours.

	20-08-2002 22:59									#11
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We all know that crop circles are made by humans, not extraterrestrials, right?

	21-08-2002 05:45									#12
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun That is so nice of you to call everyone who liked the movie and enjoyed it, "dumb small town Americans." It really shows YOUR intelligence. God forbid if other people have different tastes or opinions from yours.

That was a bit strong I guess!

Well, Americans in general complain how the rest of the World stereotypes them as being a bit simple, and then you have an entire movie of characters who fit that stereotype to a tee...

There are lots of reasons why you might like this movie apart from being dumb - you might find watching the equivalent of a 'B' movie hilarious...

My problem is that I greatly enjoyed both of M's first movies, and indications were that I'd enjoy this one too. Yes I had allowed my expectations to be built up and consequently felt ripped off!

It's like a small town version of 'War of the Worlds' with a bit of quasi-religious mumbo jumbo thrown in for good measure. Frankly I didn't enjoy my intelligence being insulted in the manner that it was...

quote: We all know that crop circles are made by humans, not extraterrestrials, right?

No, apparently we do not!

	21-08-2002 05:47									#13
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I thought it was an excellent movie, easily Shyalaman's strongest work to date, IMO.

	21-08-2002 05:48									#14
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS It's like a small town version of 'War of the Worlds' with a bit of quasi-religious mumbo jumbo thrown in for good measure.

You should have known about the plot and themes running through the movie from the trailers and reviews.

	21-08-2002 05:59									#15
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc You should have known about the plot and themes running through the movie from the trailers and reviews.

Actually, in the countries I am used to inhabiting they don't blow the entire plot to sh*t on the trailers...

The trailers in OZ had Mel and family living on a farm surrounded by rustling corn stalks, barking dogs, the crop circles, the fact that crop circles were happening in India and Mel running around in the cornfield in the dark with a torch and catching a glimpse of an inhuman leg disappearing into the corn.

I guess it is assumed that Australians actually have an imagination and don't want to know how the movie is going to end before even seeing it...

In fact if I'd know it was about aliens, most of the great suspense that I did enjoy in the beginning of the movie for not knowing what was going to happen next would have been completely lost!

Now I come to think of it, I do remember the US trailers - what is the point of even seeing the movie after seeing those!!?

	21-08-2002 06:01									#16
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Come on, you have a "Meet the Feebles" avatar, obviously you have some goodtaste when it comes to movies.
I'm shocked that you didn't enjoy Signs.

	21-08-2002 06:17									#17
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Actually, in the countries I am used to inhabiting they don't blow the entire plot to sh*t on the trailers...

Hehe...inhabiting...you make it sound like you're a virus that moves from host country to host country

	21-08-2002 07:04									#18
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quote: Originally posted by orange Hehe...inhabiting...you make it sound like you're a virus that moves from host country to host country

He certainly is, the swine! He's come over and drunk all of our beer! Why do you think we have a drought the moment he arrives, huh?!

Actually, i loved The Sixth Sense, but heard that Unbreakable should have been renamed Unbearable If Mobius thinks it's good, i will have to give it a chance, even if i need a few beers beforehand

	21-08-2002 07:12									#19
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I thought it was good... 3 stars...

I guess some people just don't like movies where you have to think ... its not surprising considering how many morons went to see MI2... and thought it was good...

	21-08-2002 07:15									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Lung If Mobius thinks it's good, i will have to give it a chance,

Remember that MOBIUS liked Deep Blue Sea. His opinion on the quality of movies is rather suspect.

	21-08-2002 07:25									#21
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The message was dumb, agreed. All movie messages are dumb. Ignore them.

Beyond that, it was genuinely creepy in some parts. Joaquin Phoenix did a very good job. Gibson... well, he's Mel Gibson ferchrissakes, what did you expect, Sir Lawrence Olivier? The kids annoyed me at first like 99% of all brat actors, but they grew on me. The plot is no more or less implausible than the average X Files episode.

The really sad thing is, by this summer's standards this was far above average. This was the worst summer for movies I can remember. They aren't even trying anymore.

	21-08-2002 07:30									#22
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they made good money the first couple of weeks. although most movies did

Did men in black 2 seem dumb to anyone? I haven't seen it.

	21-08-2002 07:33									#23
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MIB2 was a good sequel in the sense that if you liked the first one, you'll like the second one. I found it enjoyable 2.5 stars.

	21-08-2002 07:35									#24
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider Come on, you have a "Meet the Feebles" avatar, obviously you have some goodtaste when it comes to movies. I'm shocked that you didn't enjoy Signs.

Yeah, well that was funny - you knew what you were going to get!

SPOILER ALERT! (But who the hell cares anyway! )

OK, what I didn't like about Signs was the whole 'You gotta have Faith' thing - that the 'signs' were just that. It almost seemed as though everything was preordained and that those Aliens attacked for the sole purpose of getting Mel's character to 'see the light' again. How lame is that?

Then there's the Aliens - where do you even begin with those!?!?

Such a lame arse bunch of Aliens those were - capable of interstellar flight and cloaking techniques that render their ships invisible to radar and visual sight, they have to rely on creating crop circles as navigation tools!!!

Several of these advanced Aliens can't even overpower an unarmed family of two men and two children - one of the dumb schmucks actually got itself locked in a pantry!!!

Also it transpires that approximately 70% of the planet's surface and about 90% of the people they're trying to 'harvest' are fatal to these Aliens - what's more they don't even bother to protect themselves from such and obvious weakness by walking around in their birthday suits!

That's just some of the really obvious in your face failings about this movie...

quote: I guess some people just don't like movies where you have to think

That's the whole problem - I thought about it and thought it stank big time!

quote: its not surprising considering how many morons went to see MI2... and thought it was good...

Yeah I saw this and was bitterly disappointed - it comes to something when you can f*ck up a popcorn actioner!

Up till that movie I worshipped the ground John Woo walked on, especially after Face/Off. Then you get this crap! It's like these directors give up trying once they realise they've made it.

	21-08-2002 07:49									#25
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quote: Originally posted by orange Hehe...inhabiting...you make it sound like you're a virus that moves from host country to host country

Yeah, the US has a good repellant against me - I went in one end and shot out the other side a few months later...

quote: Remember that MOBIUS liked Deep Blue Sea. His opinion on the quality of movies is rather suspect.

Well everyone knew that was going to be a dumb actioner - hence my finding 'B' type movies hilarious!

The scary thing is that DBS IMO was actually a less far fetched movie than Signs!

quote: The message was dumb, agreed. All movie messages are dumb. Ignore them.

Yeah, but that was the central plank of the movie and basically rammed down your throat from the get go! It's difficult to ignore when it's in your face like that.

quote: Beyond that, it was genuinely creepy in some parts. Joaquin Phoenix did a very good job. Gibson... well, he's Mel Gibson ferchrissakes, what did you expect, Sir Lawrence Olivier? The kids annoyed me at first like 99% of all brat actors, but they grew on me. The plot is no more or less implausible than the average X Files episode.

That's the point - it was genuinely creepy for the first part. Nothing wrong with the acting either and the children also served their purpose. As for X-Files, I gave up watching that when it turned crap years ago - so that falls on deaf ears as far as I'm concerned!

	21-08-2002 09:42									#26
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Frankly I didn't much care for "Unbreakable". In the end it seemed as if the Shyalaman was trying to say that crippled people are evil.

I haven't seen "Signs" yet. One oof my neighbors saw it tonight and said that it scared her more than any movie she's ever seen.

	21-08-2002 09:44									#27
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don't say that! just because he's cripple doesn't mean anything! surely you can't say the same thing because he's black.

The ending was a little too tidy. But I can't think of a better ending, so I have to go with that one. I loved the entire movie (unbreakable) but wish they could have done something else with the ending

	21-08-2002 10:05									#28
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Remeber that the guy who had planted the bombs supposedly suffeed from a disease which rendered him extremely fragile. In the ending when Bruce Willis catches up with this crippled guy the guy rants at how much he suffeed in his life and that he's just giving some of it back. Bruce comments on the irony of the situation, the two of them almost being like a superhero fighting a supervillain in the comic books that the crippled guy collected. He then suggests that it would seem that the very reason that his superpower, "unbreakability", exists is to counteract the villain's evil which is a product of the villain's fragility.

	21-08-2002 10:10									#29
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Call me a "simpleton" if you want to, but I loved Signs. I give it an 8. Its the first movie in a LONG time that has really frightened me and made me jump in my seat. I think they ending was great, simply because it tied everything together and was unexpected. I LOVED that he was able to rediscover his faith. That's the best part because it showed how the alien invasion impacted a FAMILY, not the masses.

Sure, I thought the CGI alien was a little corny, and I didn't really like the girl, but the cinematography was great, the suspense was Hitchcock-like, and the message of the movie was right on target.

But call me a simpleton if you like.

	21-08-2002 10:57									#30
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We saw it this weekend. I enjoyed it.