22-09-2000 09:28									#31
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So what can we do about it?

Very simple to me. We all have ICQ, haven't we?
So if you send the turn, send an ICQ-Message the same time to the one you send the turn to ...

Aaginor

	22-09-2000 05:31									#32
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Hey Stavros, have you next turned and passed the game on to the next player?

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messed up Stavros's name

[This message has been edited by King Thor (edited September 21, 2000).]

	22-09-2000 11:25									#33
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OK, NOW I'm up to my 5th email for turn 0

Turn to krzysiekc@systembureau.com

	22-09-2000 17:25									#34
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Turn 1 to King Thor....

	22-09-2000 17:28									#35
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Turn 1 -> Shaka of the Zulus!

--edit--

Am I fast or what?

Also, I'd like to inform all of you that I have contacted TheBirdMan by private message and asked him to replace KeyGen, either permanently or atelast until we figure out which aliens abducted him.
[This message has been edited by King Thor (edited September 22, 2000).]

	22-09-2000 18:57									#36
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Little Shakas moving
With god along river...
Little Shakas not go haunted ruins...
Little Shakas too weak...

Turn 1 -> bil
(What is the situation with bilhq anyway?)

	22-09-2000 19:14									#37
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Thor ask Big Shaka,
why his little shaka weak?
Why send he, little shaka undefended.
Barbarian, may not like little shaka.




Dont know whats the deal with bil. I hope his game doesn't crash this time. If it does, we'll have to find another player, because the problem may be persistent. .. I sure hope everything goes smoothly on his turn.

	22-09-2000 19:37									#38
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As I posted already, I am available. Temporarily or for the rest of the game.

Aaginor

	22-09-2000 19:54									#39
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Yes, Aaginor. We know we can count on you!

Here's the deal everyone.

Keygen - gone, disappeared, without a trace, word is out that he has given even the CIA the slip ==> I have asked TheBirdMan to take over his civ, I'm hoping for a positive reply, but lets see what happens.

billhq - trying to play, but last turn civ-CTP was dying on him every time he opened the map, this problem was ONLY with this game for him. He will try to open it and run it again, if it works, great, if it doesn't the problem could be persistent. ==> Aaginor has offered to take over from billhq if the game doesn't work on bill's computer.

Thats potentially 2 players that will be replaced.

Keygen => thebirdMan
billhq?? => Aaginor

	22-09-2000 22:28									#40
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I'm in.

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Woodstock was here!

	22-09-2000 22:46									#41
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Glad to hear it Bird Man!! ... Welcome, and Good Luck!


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Stavros: Give billhq 24 hours, after that send the turn on to Aaginor. I have had a similar problem to billhq's and I can tell you from experience that the chances are that he will not be able to play the turn. (Ofcourse I hope thats not hte case) .. either way, let aaginor play this turn.. if billhq shows up and says that he got the map working we can let him retake control of his civ.

	23-09-2000 04:49									#42
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OK, I am back!
Sorry guys but I am experiensing great problems with my phone line. I actually couldn't even get online to inform you about it. I am off the work for a week or so and I can't get online from there either. I finally got to a friend of mine who went back from vacation, so I am able to post this message to you. I will go to work at Monday so I would be able to play normally then. In the meanwhile send me turn 1 and I will try to open my email from my friend if he have the time and play it, but if I haven't do so in 12 hours then pass it to TheBirdMan. Thanks for the good words for my scenario and sorry for the delay I have caused . And I hope Bilhq to overpass the problem with his turn.

	23-09-2000 05:19									#43
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Glad to hear you're alive man!

TheBirdMan: Thanks a lot for accepting to sub for Keygen. I really appreciated it.

	24-09-2000 18:52									#44
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I'm not sure where we're at anymore. Which turn are we at? Who's turn is it? Who is substituting for who? Am I supposed to forward a turn to someone or something?????
Could we repost the turn list with the correct players and email addresses???
[This message has been edited by Stavros (edited September 24, 2000).]

	24-09-2000 19:14									#45
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Greetings!

I just get Bills turn an had to figure out, that the problem seems to be the gamesave itself, for I encountered the same problem as bill. Here's the situation:
First thing, I realized when I opened the game was a small non-black dot on my radar map, far away from my starting point. I checked this out and found, that there is a 3x3 square visible, like there was a unit with 1 sightradius. I wondered about that and did the turn, anyway.
Then I hit the end-button. At 50 Percent of the saving progress, the game simply crashed with an unexpected error. I tried again, and tried to save the game via the normal Save-Option. Same result. And, same to bill, all other PBEM-games running correctly.
So here my setting: CtP 1.2 (german version), no other mods applied. Win98.
I will send the turn to The Bird Man, that he can try to play this turn. But one think makes me wondering. How could Stavros save the game??? So I tried it the same way he did. Loading the game, pressing End-Button. And: Game crashed again. Maybe I NEED to install the scenario? But then, how can play King Thor even without the scenario?
Mysteries, mysteries, mysteries ...

Aaginor

(BTW: Didn't you overdo a bit with the goods?)

	24-09-2000 20:36									#46
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Hmm.. a dman good analysis Aaginor. I'm confused too now. If Stavros can get it working, but you and billhq cant.. I dunno, thats wierd.
Lets hope thebirdman will be able to play it.

	24-09-2000 22:15									#47
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I've got the German version as well, so thats not the problem. Ahhh... Was I the last person to have the last working turn. If so, I will play it again, and resend it. It might work this time...

	24-09-2000 23:21									#48
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I have played turn 0 for all the players and I ...have succeeded to normaly save the turn from the "END" button! I will try to do the same think on another computer tomorrow to figure out if this has to do with the German version or not.

	25-09-2000 00:51									#49
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That is a silly problem! Damn damn damn! At first, we need a person to blame, so we can lower our frustration ...
Secondly, I would recomend a new clean startup. Everyone should install the scenario first (BTW: maybe somebody should explain, how to apply a scenario-game. As for me, I do not know, how to handle it)
After everyone have installed the scenario, start again and see what happens. As I think, that the problem is somewhere in the savegame and only occures at some machines, continuing would be very problematic.

Aaginor

BTW: Is there any support from activision, that could help us out?

	25-09-2000 07:00									#50
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Hi, It seem that you have to find a replacement for me.
See you in another game.

	25-09-2000 16:49									#51
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I suggest you use "1.2 hack" path instead of "1.2" ...
Meybe it will help you...

	25-09-2000 23:25									#52
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Aaginor did you send the turn to TheBirdMan?

And if you did

TheBirdMan: Were you able to play the turn or did it crash with you as well?

Lets get this game going again.. come on people.

	26-09-2000 01:32									#53
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No, Bilhq!

The problem is nor you, the problem is the savegame (so I think). I think you need to restart anyway, as I postet a day ago.

	26-09-2000 13:42									#54
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I think, that we can use AI, istead of player with save game problem... , but it is little not fair solution...

	26-09-2000 13:53									#55
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Who had the last valid turn? I would recommend that he replay this turn, and see if the problem goes away. Some turn's just don't work the first time. I have encountered this many times.

	26-09-2000 16:02									#56
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King Thor,

I sent the turn to The Bird Man. I do not know, if he already tried to play it.

	27-09-2000 13:38									#57
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I have played the saved turn 0 for all the players in another machine than the one were I had created the senario and played well. I have sent turn 1 to Thor just in case the turn which Aaginor has sent to TheBirdMan won't work and by this way might work. And Aaginor it would be really difficult to recreate the scenario as I should start over and would take me a day or so .

	27-09-2000 19:21									#58
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KeyGen : Why dont you email me the way in which you created the PBEM game (be as complete as you can) .. I'll try to create the game and host it myself. I'll use the same map you emailed us all. Or better, email me that map again, I'll make tiny changes to it ( no changes in land mass, maybe just add an extra river tile to all the civs, or something like that, and launch the game. What do you think?

I ofcourse have had no problems with the game, TheBirdMan hasn't posted his experience with the map, so we dont know where the problem lies. Its true that billhq and Aaginor have no trouble with other maps, but how come Stavros was able to play that turn, and none of us have had a problem??

Wierd, I'm going to try and get in touch with TheBirdMan so that we can get further info on how the game reacted when he played the turn.

	28-09-2000 06:55									#59
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Okay Turn 1 -> Zulus

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I hope it works on billhq's system.

	28-09-2000 09:06									#60
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Sorry fellows.

Didn't know I was in that game too.

As to King Thors post of 22nd., I should replace Keygen - but he is certainly back. That's why I didn't react on the turnpost I had received some times ago.

Tell me if I'm still in - and what I'm doing there.
[This message has been edited by TheBirdMan (edited September 28, 2000).]