18-09-2000 00:59									#1
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Turn 0 -> Shaka of the Zulus

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My complements to Keygen for creating a great map. May the best man win.

	18-09-2000 02:11									#2
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The god of river,
The god of Palm Tree,
Both happy with Shaka.
Give Shaka good land.
Give Shaka big village.
Give Shaka strong man-warriors.

Shaka show gods he worthy.
Shaka plant many seed in healthy women-folk.
Shaka fill land with many little Shaka...

	18-09-2000 08:42									#3
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I wish I was that good at Haiku.
Looks like our leader of the Zulus has learnt a thing or too from the Japanese.

Hope they dont open Karate schools in Zululand. That would be nasty.
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Did we get billhq's email address right? He has like 3 emails floating around the place. I remember he mentioned that one of his email addys was fast and he wanted his games sent there.
[This message has been edited by King Thor (edited September 17, 2000).]

	18-09-2000 08:58									#4
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Stavros, Please sent me another copy of my turn.
It's seem this copy i had have a problem with it.
It's can not save the game i played, but the other PBEM i have just work fine.

	18-09-2000 12:01									#5
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Congratulations ! Keygen, you created a wonderful world ! I wait for my first turn
[This message has been edited by Krzysztof (edited September 18, 2000).]

	18-09-2000 13:16									#6
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I have a problem here....
I played my turn, but it wouldn't let me save the game.
Does we play in the same Mod here?
I mean just 1.2 from activision.

	18-09-2000 15:44									#7
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I've replayed and resent the first turn....
Oh.. and the email in the readme bounced, so I used the one in the game.

	18-09-2000 15:52									#8
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I hope that, it helpd bilhq...

	19-09-2000 03:31									#9
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where is the turn now anyway?

	19-09-2000 04:03									#10
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Th Russian King, Kapowski awoke one day to find a rather large city under his command. He shook himself in disbelief but realized that he truly was the leader of these people.

Swearing, not to let his people down, Kapowski took the reigns of the nation and sent his armies into the unknown to explore... to seek out new life and new civilization. To boldly go... where no Russian has gone before.

	19-09-2000 06:57									#11
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I still can't play the turn that i had.
To make the game moving, I want somebody push the N key for me and passed to the person next to me.
If for the next turn i can't play that either. Then I quit this group. Sorry for the news. Seem I have the same problem arthur had.

	19-09-2000 07:42									#12
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billhq .. oh come on man.. I really want you to play with us man. Isn't there some way you can fix it? Reinstall windows maybe? this sucks.

	19-09-2000 11:57									#13
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Meybe bilhq not installed "Fixed World" scenario correctly ? [ therefore he can't save the game ]

	19-09-2000 18:50									#14
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I didn't install anything, I just opened the .csg file played my turn, hit end. and everything worked as advertized. .. Dunno.

Lets just hit END on billhq's turn this time. We will give him some slack in the game due to this disadvantage he suffered. Hopefully he'll get his comp working again.

My advice, re-install windows.

billhq: Post the EXACT details of what your game is doing, and where it is malfunctioning. Also what other programs have you installed any modifications you have made. Whis Operating System you are using. Maybe we can debug and fix it.

	19-09-2000 19:09									#15
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How long you will wait ?

	19-09-2000 19:20									#16
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OK. When I get home (in a few hours) I'll open and next turn. This will also show if I have the same problem as bilhq. I'll sent the turn along to keep the game moving. In the meantime we can try to solve the problem in some other way...

	20-09-2000 00:12									#17
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Greetings ...

If you agree, I'd like to substitute Bill for a while (of course, only if bill agrees). Just tell me, if or not and what I have to modify / install for this one.

Aaginor

	20-09-2000 00:53									#18
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We'll Next turn for now, because Bill requested it, but thanks for the offer Aaginor...
OK Turn Sent...

	20-09-2000 02:59									#19
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Lets plan for the next turn for billhq. Where is he anyway? Haven't heard from him.

Assuming he doesn't get CTP working by his next turn, we'll need a permanent replacement for his civ.

	20-09-2000 07:31									#20
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ok. I still trying to figure out what happen to my CTP.
I can play turn from Fly High group so far.
But for this turn I have one unexplained situation.
I can open the turn, play it but when i press N or END Button or Save, the game just quit without giving any comment neither saved game.
I use NT4 and install only 1.2 patch.
I don't modificate anything to may Civ CTP yet, couse i'm lack of C programing.
Any suggestion?

	20-09-2000 10:03									#21
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billhq:

I've emailed you with my experience with the same problem. Like I said, I still dont know how to fix it, and from all I know its map specific, and persistent. How about Conquer map? Is that working fine for you? Because if it is, your problem sounds exactly like mine. One map is somehow just not working on your current comp.

	20-09-2000 15:10									#22
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I still wait for my first turn, but probably in first must to take places all necessairy bio and geological evolutonions...

	21-09-2000 00:15									#23
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Do we have a 24 hour rule in this game?

	21-09-2000 01:37									#24
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OK... Sending my 5th email for turn 0...to someone called costas_ctp@yahoo.com .....

	21-09-2000 02:54									#25
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Stavros: The person you are emailing to, is Keygen. The guy who created the map. Why have you had to email 5 times to him? Is the mail bouncing? Is he having trouble with the map? Whats going on?

I'm getting kind of annoyed. Not at anyone in particular, but it seems like ALL the games I'm in are having some sort of problem or the other. Playing 1 turn a week for a game is not my idea of fun. This is a small nice game (in number of players), I'm hoping to atleast have "this" game go fast.

I vote, we setup a 24 hour rule. I know, I know. I'm probably being a ***** about this, but lets do this, I'm willing to subject myself to the same time slice, so lets all do it.

For Keygen. Since this is his first turn. I say we give him till 15:00 .. 21st, and then we next turn his civ too.

For billhq, he has expressed his concern over not being able to play over the weekends, we'll try as much as possible to get him his turn over the weekend, and in the case that it is on the weekend, I think we should make that one exception, provided he plays it quickly on monday.

	21-09-2000 13:29									#26
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OK OK, it was only my 4th post , 2 to the original, and twice once I "Next Turned".
I'm in full agreement with the 24 hour rule. AS LONG as the turn-sent message is posted here, and after the 24 hours, the turn is re-sent to the AWOL player, as well as the Next Turn, to the next player. This still gives the player a chance to play his turn. Email failures are somehow too common here.
I probably could have explained that better, but do you get my drift?

	21-09-2000 19:13									#27
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Stavros: Okay. I agree with you, However I have something to add to that.

After 24 hours, we send the turn once again to the missing player as well as "next" it and send it to the next player. We can only accept the missing players turn if he manages to play it and pass it on to the next player before the player after him has already played.

for instance.
Players a,b,c,d.

a : turn -> b
b is missing for 24 hours.
a: send email again to b
next turn & turn -> c

Now player b must play his turn and pass it to player c, before player c finishes playhing his turn and passes turn to d.

Good. Also we better find a sub for keygen. It seems like Keygen has disappeared ..

	21-09-2000 19:27									#28
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Thats wat I said

Yes, The problem being that 24 hours can go by, before someone realises that the turn hasn't been sent to him. If you (like me) are in a lot of games, it can sometimes take a long time to wade through all of the threads, to see if you are missing a turn (especially if the Apolyton server is slow).

	21-09-2000 22:01									#29
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Ahhh... You're right of course.... but I think what we've suggested should be enough. It all takes time. I could devote my whole life to playing PBEM, but It would be a bit of a waste

	21-09-2000 22:14									#30
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Tell you what guys. IM ing the person through ICQ can be used optionally( not required) . I agree that this should be enough.

Stavros: Keygen has less than 2 hours left, remember to next his turn and pass it on to the next player if you dont hear from him. Also lets find a good replacement for him. Its strange that he left since he is the one that put so much work into making the map and all. Wierd..

Anyone of you know a good role playing kind of PBEMer in one of the other games, who plays turns quick? Lets get him/her ..