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What are you political views (Time out:0 days after 21-08-2002, 21:09)
Far left (communist)
Hard left (socialist)
Medium left (socialdemocratic)
Slight left (socialliberal)
Center
Slight right (liberal)
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Giancarlo is offline Giancarlo
King
Los Angeles
Apr 2000
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Originally posted by alofatti
You speak with such an authority.Too bad that your presumed "god", the IMF, disagrees with you...


The IMF doesn't. It approved of limited devaluations in Spain during the mid 90s (which led to a return of economic growth), Brazil and Turkey.

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and to think that we have already pay them $ 200 billion dollars.


No way! Your country hasn't paid diddly squat when it comes to loan. You defaulted on the entire external debt.

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Thats all we did during the 90's!


NO YOU DIDN'T! THAT ISN'T CAPITALISM, rather Russian styled cronism.

Sonic is offline Sonic
Warlord
Vilnius, Lithuania
Dec 2001
time: 07:21
  Old Post 26-08-2002 18:06
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I am +4 authoritarian and +3 right, not +3 authoritarian and +4 right as it is now.

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Uni of Wales Swansea
Oct 2000
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All duly ammended.

Sonic, now you're worryingly close to Speer...

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Park Avenue is offline Park Avenue
Emperor
Liberal and defender of freedoms for the people
Oct 1999
time: 05:21
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Here you are Jon.

Economic Left/Right: 1.00
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -0.41

red_jon is offline red_jon
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Uni of Wales Swansea
Oct 2000
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I've added you. Push refresh to see the updated picture above.

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Taehan Mingook
Jan 1970
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  Old Post 26-08-2002 20:56
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w00t still holding the line at second most libertarian

Giancarlo is offline Giancarlo
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Apr 2000
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I think I am going to stay in the lead for the most economic right.... you know I thought I would become a lot less right-wing radical... turns out it was only by a small bit....

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Minnesota, USA
Dec 2001
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Economic Left/Right: 4.25
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -1.18

What I find interesting is the fact that Fez and I should try talking econ rather than other things... he and I would probably finally find something we could agree on.

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Uni of Wales Swansea
Oct 2000
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Rivals

Odin v Albert Speer

Kamrat X vs Fez

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Giancarlo is offline Giancarlo
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Los Angeles
Apr 2000
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Kamrat X vs Fez


The irony... oh the irony....

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Communist Party of Apolyton
Jan 2002
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  Old Post 26-08-2002 23:25
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It couldn´t have come as much of a surprise, could it?

red_jon is offline red_jon
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Oct 2000
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Irony?

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King
Communist Party of Apolyton
Jan 2002
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  Old Post 27-08-2002 00:57
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Yes, like goldy, or bronzy...

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Dec 2000
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And afte rgod knows hoiw many posts in this test I redid the test (did it ages ago)

Can't say i'm suprised by the results.

Economic Left/Right: -5.12
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -6.05

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Biology Nerd at Minnesota State University Moorhead
Sep 2000
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Hey, I'm the most liberal so far, yipee!

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Vilnius, Lithuania
Dec 2001
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  Old Post 27-08-2002 02:09
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It is very strange most unpopular corner is authoritarian/left... There were so many such politics... Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Kim il Sung, Kim young Il, Chrushchev, Brezhnev, Khadafi to name a few...

Ramo is offline Ramo
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Austin, Texas, USA
Oct 1999
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Economic Left/Right: -3.38
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -7.38

Giancarlo is offline Giancarlo
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Apr 2000
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It couldn´t have come as much of a surprise, could it?


Considering we are like two rottweliers that will never stop attacking each other.

red_jon is offline red_jon
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Uni of Wales Swansea
Oct 2000
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Spartak and Ramo added.

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DarkCloud is offline DarkCloud
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Jul 2000
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Good Chart!
I applaud all the hard work

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Oct 2000
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Good Chart!
I applaud all the hard work


Thanks, but it hardly compares to the charts you do

Kramerman is offline Kramerman
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UT, Austin - The live music capital of the world
Jun 2002
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WOW!
Way to go, red jon
Mad props, even though I dont think that test represented my views so well My leberalnees is represented pretty well, but I am more capitolist than i am socilaist).

Kman

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UT, Austin - The live music capital of the world
Jun 2002
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I retook the test. I did have a little bias this time, but I also understood some of the questions better and answered accordingly. I tried to answer as honestly as possible to what I truley believe and not to what I want my score to be . My new score of 0.88/ -2.31 is a fair representation of myself.

Plan Austral is offline Plan Austral
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Poster Formerly known as Kublai-Khan. Buenos Aires - Argentina.
Oct 2001
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Fez, excuse me but you are absolutely wrong regarding the devaluation.

When Duhalde became president he established a new "convertivilidad": 1, 40 pesos = 1 dolar.
And he said that it was going to be the new fix value of the currency.

The imf was against of it (Anne Krueger was even in favor of an hyperinflation, afterwards, according to her, the peso would find its market-imposed real value).

You are clearly wrong there, maybe the imf did approved some mini-devaluation in Spain in the past, but that was not the case of Argentina.

Duhalde wanted a new "convertivilidad" at 1,40.

Devaluating was on of the conditions of the IMF, Duhalde even had to fight hard, because the IMF wanted a totally free currency, but at the end they accepted interventions of the central bank.
What we call "flotacion sucia".

There is no way you can deny this, it was in all the newspapers, it was one of the requisites to start negotiating a new deal.

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Az is offline Az
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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
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I sence a hidden commie in Sava.

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Fez, excuse me but you are absolutely wrong regarding the devaluation.


No I am not.

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When Duhalde became president he established a new "convertivilidad": 1, 40 pesos = 1 dolar.
And he said that it was going to be the new fix value of the currency.


He never even proposed such a plan!

That fool didn't even know what he was doing.

The least you can hope for now is that former economy minister Lopez Murphy wins the Presidency and not have some thug like Saa, Menem or Carrio win.

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The imf was against of it (Anne Krueger was even in favor of an hyperinflation, afterwards, according to her, the peso would found its market-imposed real value).


It was?

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You are clearly wrong there, maybe the imf did approved some mini-devaluation in Spain in the past, but that was not the case of Argentina.


That is bull! You and I know that Argentina should of established the devaluation in a much more coherent process rather than having it slide off the board.

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Duhalde wanted a new "convertivilidad" at 1,40.


Not from what I know. That idiot doesn't even know what he is doing. And don't even start me about Lavagna.

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Devaluating was on of the conditions of the IMF, Duhalde even had to fight hard, because the IMF wanted a totally free currency, but at the end they accepted interventions of the central bank.
What we call "flotacion sucia".


Wrongo. Duhalde fight? In what way? He is a weak president with little to no knowledge of what this country really needs. A capable liquidity model based on the Chilean Banking system is what this country needs. The GDP might have to be liquidated by 20% though to reach that but I see that there isn't any choice.

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There is no way you can deny this, it was in all the newspapers, it was one of the requisites to start negotiating a new deal.


I wouldn't believe the lies in the newspaper even if the world were to end.

There will be no more deals with Argentina. Not with the Duhalde adminstration. The money will end up stolen or misused and everybody knows it.

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Oct 1999
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  Old Post 27-08-2002 04:45
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Interesting test and chart. I just took the test and got

Economic Left/Right: 3.00
Authoritarian/Libertarian: 1.08.

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of Iowa
Nov 2000
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red_jon, I would probably fit on that chart right above Kramerman, on the central horizontal line, on the left side.

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UT, Austin - The live music capital of the world
Jun 2002
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red_jon, I would probably fit on that chart right above Kramerman, on the central horizontal line, on the left side.


I always enjoy meeting people with similar views as myself. This would include about everyone along the mid axis from my old score (on the graph) to flameflash towards the right. Nice to meet you all, my fellows of the political golden mean.

Kman

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Actually, now that I have completed the test, I did not score how I thought I would score.

Here are my actual scores, so you can add me to the chart with the other Apolytoners:

Economic - left/right, negative 4.00
Authoritarian/Liberty, negative 5.95

 
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