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Pandemoniak
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of Xanadu, French Section of the Apolyton Must Crush Capitalism Party
Jul 2002
time: 06:21
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"Greedy Pig" another name for a Morganite, or a capitalist.
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Although I think the government has no right to regulate sex, drugs, and the arts, Government has some place in our lives in terms of safety. I would be for a massive electronic surveillance system, maybe even ID implants of some sort. But only for the purposes of crime prevention and/or gaining evidence in crimes.
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We shall eradicate the very causes of every crimes, not the criminals, that are only victims of the system.More or less, a system that tracks your location. This would be helpful in solving murders and improving the judicial system.
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I am for capital punishment. I am pro-choice, but I want a society where abortion would be unecessary. My goal is to have 0 abortions, but by choice not by law. I guess you could call me a Communal Idealist.
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Capital Punishment is legal murder, nothing else.
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:21
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So I'm a greedy pig cause I want people to not be reduced to slaves at the gov't trough? Because I want people to be self-sufficient? Because I want people to reach their potential? Because I want people to have the product of their labour?
Slavers fed their slaves you know... they clothed and housed their slaves... but did that mean they wasn't slaves? Yes! Let's hail the new government slaver: the left-wing white man!
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:21
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Sava:
Selfish? Where do you live and what do you do for a living?
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Pandemoniak
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of Xanadu, French Section of the Apolyton Must Crush Capitalism Party
Jul 2002
time: 06:21
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Originally posted by Sava
I'm sorry Pande, but if somebody rapes a child, murders another human being, they shouldn't deserve to live in society, or be supported for life in a prison. They should be put to sleep. Or my alternative is to create a life support system for their heads, decapitate them (while keeping them alive), numb their ability to feel (no pain), lock them in a box, and shoot them into space to float forever until their brain dies of natural causes. |
No, they just dont deserve the title of "human". They need to be cured.
loinburger, glad to see you got my point: capital punishment is not legal.
albert, ur a greedy pig because u think a free market can free a man, while it has always been proven that it slaves man.
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:21
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Sava:
Would you like to see you getting paid the same as a janitor?
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:21
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Pande:
A little thing called the Soviet Union and another called People's Republic of China are enough proff that communism only results in slavery.
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Sava
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GO GO GO!
Mar 2001
time: 23:21
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I'm not a communist, you forget.
I don't think that just because someone is a janitor that they aren't good enough to live at the same quality of life that I enjoy.
If the state provides health care, education, efficient mass transit, energy and communications. Then the janitor won't need to be paid as much for his services because most of his needs are met.
Basically, I want to cut the amount of wealth people get from their jobs dramatically. You would put that money into creating efficient systems that everybody can use. Then what small amount of money you make will be the basis of your personal wealth (i.e. luxuries).
Should everybody be paid the same? NO! Should everyone have the same opprotunities? Yes! Should all of their needs be met by the state? Yes!
Beyond that, markets can be as free as possible.
I want the state to control:
energy, transportation, education, health care, food, and provide a basic level of housing among what the state currently does
Any other commercial market can be almost completely free (held to today's legal standards).
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Jon Miller
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Originally posted by Pandemoniak
not in democracy
USA is freemarket, not democracy, markets are fre, while people are slaved to markets. |
the US is a 'democracy' (not technically, I know)
it is just that the people choose to be enslaved
it is our job to convince them otherwise
Jon Miller
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:21
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Sava:
The problem is that the government has almost always been proven inefficient at controlling those things you mentioned. It turns into a swollen bureaucracy, the members of whom take most of the tax money, with no incentive to actually create an efficient system.
and how do you sustain the right number of workers in, let's say, energy? If few people want to work in the energy 'market', would the gov't raise their wages to attract more workers? Or would they simply force people to become energy workers?
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alofatti
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Sava, you have beaten me in the leftist score (-6.25)! How could that be? I need a revision of my overly conservative ideas...
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22-08-2002 08:53
like it or not Albert, but to get Utopia, everyone must work together; but it won't happen because there are too many people like you who are too selfish to sacrifice for the greater good.
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