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but to be a theist and a communist, that is the best
Jon Miller
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alofatti
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Originally posted by Sava
"we put our faith in humanity's ability to create a utopian society, not in some invisible mythical, fabled god."
reply from DinoDoc
"You put your faith in a system that has failed each and everytime it was put to practical use. "
Can you tell me that this system has succeeded??
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:21
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quote:
Originally posted by Sava
 I'm following in your footsteps Che  ... although I would never proclaim myself a communist  ... even if I agree with some of Chomsky, Trotsky, or Lenin... like it or not, communism is exactly what the SU was and China is. |
I was not a communist until I went to DePaul. Take Rose Spaulding's Politics of Latin America class. That's what did me in (although she's move to the right since I took the class in 1989). When you learn that the US happily broke its own laws as well as the laws of other countries to get what it wanted, you suddenly reaslize that there is no logical reason to suddenly respect the law on this side of the border.
I went from socialist to defeated in one class. There is simply no way to reform the system. The repressive apartus won't allow it. They'd overthrow any serious socialist effort that somehow managed to get elected. That really took the wind out of my sails.
Then this commies said something that messed with my head, he mentioned that communism worked once, in the Paris Commune. Oh, I shoulda known to keep walking. Everyone tells you those sneaky bastards will say anything, but I was vulnerable, having just had all my political ideals smashed.   The rest, we shall say, is history.
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alofatti
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Sava: I wasn´t clear enough in my post. I wasn´t criticizing your system, I was questioning the current system (it was supposed to be a reply to DinoDoc).
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loinburger
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Sweet Sauce Jones
Jul 1999
time: 00:21
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Sava: So you're saying that American Atheists doesn't know what an atheist is? Interesting...
I also note that you ignored my argument that agnosticism is an epistemological belief and not a metaphysical belief. I can only assume that you are diligently searching for inaccurate dictionaries in order to refute me, so I'll save you the trouble and clarify exactly what an agnostic is...
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An agnostic does not deny the existence of God and heaven but holds that one cannot know for certain whether or not they exist. The term agnostic was fittingly coined by the 19th-century British scientist Thomas H. Huxley, who believed that only material phenomena were objects of exact knowledge. He made up the word from the prefix a-, meaning “without, not,” as in amoral, and the noun Gnostic. Gnostic is related to the Greek word gnsis, “knowledge,” which was used by early Christian writers to mean “higher, esoteric knowledge of spiritual things” hence, Gnostic referred to those with such knowledge. In coining the term agnostic, Huxley was considering as “Gnostics” a group of his fellow intellectuals“ists,” as he called themwho had eagerly embraced various doctrines or theories that explained the world to their satisfaction. Because he was a “man without a rag of a label to cover himself with,” Huxley coined the term agnostic for himself, its first published use being in 1870. |
Agnosticism is the belief that metaphysical knowledge is impossible to acquire, therefore it is an epistemological belief (relating to knowledge) and not a metaphysical belief.
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22-08-2002 09:37
Che... corporations are swollen bureaucracies... with the government, the people have the power (in theory) to force change. Ideally, everyone in the government answers to society as a whole. The problem is that there is no accountability to the people.
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