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Originally posted by Zulu Elephant
I am simply asking what makes you support the side that seems (to me) to not give a damn about the collective good, whether it benefits everyone or not
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I don't believe there is any such thing as the "collective good". Any action by the government--or anyone else for that matter--is good for some people, bad for others and irrelevant to the rest. I don't support the violation of some people's rights for the benefit of other people; I guess that puts me on the right if you insist on shoehorning everyone's views onto a left-right scale, but of course I'm a libertarian.
Can you name anything the right opposes that benefits everyone?
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Verto
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I support the right, because I believe in a government of the people - not people of the government.
I feel that the Republican/Right would like to see people become independent and able to stand on their own, while Democrats want the government to make decisions for them - need government programs for obese people, because they couldn't help eating at McDonalds, for example.
I support a strong military, which the Democrats do not, and I don't think that simply because someone is wealthy, they are criminals, or involved with an Enron-type scandal.
I would like to see more fuel efficient cars, or hydrogen-powers cars, but I don't think outlawing SUVs is the way to go.
And it just seems that, from my personal experiences, that Democrats are semi-opposed to displaying an American flag, or being proud of you're country, because this might offend someone else. Again, that's just from my personal experience.
The question should be, why do you support the left?
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Adalbertus
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Cologne, Germany
Feb 2001
time: 06:21
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My position is roughly the left wing of a conservative European party. Does that count as "right"? 
Anyway:
- against abortion
- against death penalty
- against privatization of infrastructure (railway, mail, phone ...)
First, in Germany, none of the companies really improved after privatization, and second, it is a tool for the development of a country. If phones are private, a small village of 100 inhabitants never would get a phone line (unless they are rich to afford all the costs or the government pays for it - in which case there is no gain). Also, they tend to be deficitary in less developed regions. OTOH, one should develop a way to encourage the managers of those companies to run it with as little deficit as possible. Which is what lefties miserably fail to see.
- social support should exist but much more focused. More support for children (invest in future tax payers!), more support in getting a job, less encouragement to live on social aid alone.
- trade unions are getting too powerful in Europe (except England, probably) and have a bad organization: They go to strike when their treasury is full (Germany), or have strike as a collective hobby (France).
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bigvic
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Columbia, S.C.
Nov 2001
time: 00:21
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Originally posted by notyoueither
That really added to the debate. Come back when you have a point other than the one on your head. |
i actually considr myself a radical moderate. it seems to me that intelligent people are right and left wingers. the truth must lie somewhere in the middle. in the us due to the nature of the 2 party system, the polity either is more radicalized, or they come to resemble each other. yeah, greed of small fish is not so injurious to society, but the big guys need some watching and regulating by the government. don't understand how people here get so pissed over big government, yet big business and its abuses don't seem to phase anyone, until their abuses and conciousless greed causes personal pain, like all the recent job losses. like enron - what a bunch of bastards - not just for what they obviously did, but for their hijinx overseas, supported by money besotted american politicians.
in the 60's and 70's, democrats in the us, left wingers when that was in the vogue, promised something for nothing a cornicupia of yummy governmeent services for nothing, no increase in taxes.
we found that to be bullshit
now the same thing has appeared from the right wingers - republicans. this time its the big gov bad, no tax good. but the moment someone's kid dies of meat poisoning because there is not enough federal meat inspectors, pow! we're all highly indignant.
more bullshit
radical moderate am i 
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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:21
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I agree with notyoueither's posts on the whole.
I believe in economic freedom, but do recognize that anti-trust laws are needed to restrain the likes of Bill Gates. From this basic impulse, most everything else follows.
I believe in democracy, human rights and liberty. I also believe in the rule of law - and law enforcement.
I believe in freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom from state religion.
I also believe that when one can, one should promote, even with force, democracy and humane rights abroad. Dictatorships of any form, from tyrannies to one party rule, are evil and must be ended.
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Giancarlo
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Los Angeles
Apr 2000
time: 02:21
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Originally posted by MrFun
Imran, yet, conservatives are the ones who advocate preserving the anachronistic sodomy laws.
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We all are?  You might be referring to some.
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They believe that the less regulations on corporations, the better; although, after the scandals with a couple of huge corporations, Bush has appeared to advocate tougher rules. |
Yes you are right. But tougher rules doesn't exactly mean regulations, if the procedures are followed then corporations are free to do what they want if not the law enforcement has the right to investigate. And this is coming from somebody who scored a 6 on the economic scale in one political test... with that political compass.
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They also believe in that there are certain morals that should be universally imposed; such as sodomy laws. |
Not all conservatives are for that. Well I am not.
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The conservative right also believes that giving the upper class larger tax reductions or breaks, will trickle down to benefit the middle class (I think this thinking is fallicious IMO). |
That is because you mis-stated what most conservatives support. They support across the board tax cuts... maybe the rich get more but the middle class still gets a decent amount.
You can think whatever you want but I think that tax cuts are economically vital.
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The conservative right also usually sees our nation as a Christian nation under one true God. |
Usually? With I do respect, stop making these generalizations. I am not a exception when it comes to that... there are many more like me who do not believe that.
MrFun, you have good ideas.. but generally are mistakened about what some conservatives stand for.
The political compass score actually placed me more to the right-authoritarian scale but if you consider I am not really authoritarian at all. It was something like 6 for economics, and 3 for authoritarian.
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24-08-2002 07:29
? That is my me, life and money! And society = shmociety. I don't like more than half of the jerks out there an don't want to be associated with them in some "society".
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