26-08-2002 09:55									#1
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Recently, I've been in the mood for some culture and I've been listening to my lean library of classical music. A few days ago I noticed I didn't have Beethoven's Symphony #5 or Piano Concerto #1. So I go out to the local Best Buy and all I can find in their pathetic excuse of a classical music section are some Beethoven compilation (ie crap) CDs. The 1st movement of #5, one movement from a piano sonata etc. etc. They didn't have 1 CD with the entire #5 on it. Something is wrong with American culture when I can go to the store and see 100 CDs from manufactured barbie doll Shakira, but can't find one of the greatest musical works ever.

Those of you who have kids, play some classical music for them; and support keeping music education in our schools. I know people will listen to whatever they're going to listen to but most kids in the US aren't brought up to appreciate good music. When people value a girl shaking her booty in a music video more than the thoughtful, complex, genius inspired invention of a classical symphony then our values are in the wrong place.

That's it. Bye.

	26-08-2002 10:02									#2
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Hmm, seems you should try a music store. Or online, since a good deal of those stores are in the US.

	26-08-2002 10:05									#3
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yeah...you shouldn't be buying music from Best Buy in the first place...

	26-08-2002 10:12									#4
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There is always a healthy mix of crap and art to keep you on your toes.

	26-08-2002 10:35									#5
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	26-08-2002 10:44									#6
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Best Buy for classical works? Why?

Best Buy is usually used for pop music, it is after all a one stop shopping place for all entertainment, technology, movies, and music that is popular now. If you want classical try a Barnes and Noble that has a decent CD collection or many local stores that cater to that.

	26-08-2002 11:30									#7
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Hey. I like Shakira. Objection (Tango) is a neat song.
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	26-08-2002 15:49									#8
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Bah. Why would I want to teach my children that music is a dry, intellectual, art-establishment excercise? I'm going to subject them to the high points of pop perfection instead, and ignore all the languid classical nonsense designed for senile old women who can't stand the though of music actually sticking in your head or making you want to dance.

	26-08-2002 16:04									#9
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	26-08-2002 18:14									#10
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Nothing against classical music, but I was raised on rock and I imagine my children (assuming I have some) will be too.

	26-08-2002 18:20									#11
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I would suggest checking out one of the Borders Books&Music stores.

	26-08-2002 18:21									#12
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My guess is that Snapcase's children would eventually rebel against him by becoming prog. rock and classical listeners.

	26-08-2002 18:26									#13
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Haha yeah, they wake him up every morning blasting Roundabout by Yes

	26-08-2002 19:13									#14
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If I could only find a decent pianist, who could play Beethoven's 5th concerto. I have to have two CDs for it. One compilation with the first movement which is done excellently by Silvia Capova, whose "Apassionatta" is great as weill. But the hack on my complete 5th CD can keep time.

	26-08-2002 21:49									#15
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Grrr, that's a pretty decent store. And nice selection Mark, the Vienna Philharmonic conducted by Berstein . The Vienna sure makes a lot of CDs.

	26-08-2002 22:05									#16
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Not to forget that there are probably styles of music as of yet undeveloped Snapcase hates already.

	26-08-2002 23:08									#17
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quote: Why would I want to teach my children that music is a dry, intellectual, art-establishment excercise?

Bah. Classical music (or better between 1500 and 1750) is pure fun. It moves me with a smile or a tear more than pop music with its constant hammering of percussion.

	27-08-2002 02:03									#18
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Ahh, nostalgia. I'm sure they only let you litsen to the mild pieces by Papa Haydn at the retirement home.

	27-08-2002 02:16									#19
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quote: My guess is that Snapcase's children would eventually rebel against him by becoming prog. rock and classical listeners.

And Led Zeppelin.

	27-08-2002 02:22									#20
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I hear childrens' music tastes depend largely on what they heard as infants and in the womb.

	27-08-2002 02:26									#21
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quote: Ahh, nostalgia. I'm sure they only let you litsen to the mild pieces by Papa Haydn at the retirement home.

Haydn composed mostly after 1750. I'd prefer Bach, Desprez, Monteverdi, Purcell ...

	27-08-2002 02:47									#22
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Why would I inflict classical music on my children? Poor things...

And music in the US seems to be alive and kicking. Listened to several hours of Drowning Pool and System of a Down today...

	27-08-2002 02:48									#23
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Buck, I doubt that... My parents don't really listen to music... If anything it is Elvis and the likes.

Not quite my style...

	27-08-2002 02:59									#24
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You're right carver, today's crap bothers me too sometimes, especially those wannabee rappers with golden necklaces, rings and ornaments, with names such as poof diddy or whatever...


reminds me of that **** from nickelback that told some Belgian interviewer that european rock is low quality, the only 'real' rock music can be found in northern america... pretty funny, not only is he quite offensive to all those european viewers, he also forgets that pretty much all of the best rock is made in the uk, and belgium too (no really! )

Luckily we have a fine radio station that plays classical music all the time and for once actually isn't boring or old fashioned in any way!

	27-08-2002 03:09									#25
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I don't know about you but the only European country I have ever really heard rock is from the British Isles. The rest of it is electronic or the ever-sickening Euro-pop.

	27-08-2002 03:16									#26
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yer, that's it really, the thing is you guys don't know european rock bands unless they're commercial and well known around the world...maybe it's the same thing over there, i've no idea...

as a matter of fact I think there is some pretty good music here, and it's for the best that they don't go for the top-50 charts and all, because one way or another, sooner or later, the music starts sucking... don't know why but it's just like that

electronic do you mean techno and hardcore and that kind of stuff?

and what is euro-pop?

	27-08-2002 03:20									#27
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Depends what you call rock. If you mean that tedious muzak produced by the likes of rolling stones or creed, then you are absolutely right.

If you mean music with some life in it, like Rammstein, System of a Down, Offspring etc, then both sides of the pond are equally capable.

	27-08-2002 03:53									#28
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Carver, Timbaland, Miss-E Elliott, Tweet, Bubba Sparxxx, etc. Timbaland, Elliot and crew are producing some fantastic stuff. Definately in the catagory of art.

	27-08-2002 04:11									#29
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You forgot Puff Daddy and Eminem.

	27-08-2002 04:27									#30
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quote: Something is wrong with American culture when I can go to the store and see 100 CDs from manufactured barbie doll Shakira, but can't find one of the greatest musical works ever

I actually experienced the same: at my local blockbuster (well, not really a blockbuster because there was a porn section ) I could find a compilation of 10 movies on dvd starring Marlene Dietrich sold at 30 euros (same as 30 bucks for you lazy yankee guys) while "deep throats 2" and "4 hours gangbang marathon" were sold at 29.99 each.