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Frazer is offline Frazer
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If you got my e-mail and you still want to play post here. Lets get the turns moving again as quickly as possible.

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Hey Guys, I sent turn 90 to Slamp last night because I noticed that turn stalled at me, because of my vacation during 31-11.08...

Sorry, guys....

But I have one complain. The game has no role play, I remember that when I started to role play in the beginning other players joined in role play and we had a great fun, specially when we had the Norwich Problem... I think we all should give reports about our internal and foreign affairs on forum, so this game would be more funny, and interesting, there was the time when Dutchesse was the greatest game, the diplomatic game

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I want to know whether there is enough interest in this game to bother to continue. I have an enormous affection for Dutcheese, as it was the first MP CtP game I ever played, but it becomes a bore when about the only thing I can remember is that I am playing the Irish!

I will continue to play if the game continues but unless I receive at least a couple of Turns a week it will be with little enthusiasm and certainly unworthy of getting into 'fun mode' on the Thread.

I knew a very long time ago that I could not win the game in the long run but it was fun and therefore worthwhile. When any game stops being fun then, win or lose, it isn't worth making the effort to even try.

BTW. The change of identity is involuntary and due to a bug in Apolyton's database. I am the same Jon: Pope, Taosoich, Chancellor or Saint.

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Well, I will be please to continue playing this game.
I got the game, I will play it ASAP

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It's seems no one in particular is at fault for slowing the game down so we will all have to ensure it keeps moving in future.

When ever we have come to agree a 24 hour limit to the time it takes to play a turn, It has failed because no one has taken the responsibility to make the decision to play a turn for another player. I propose that it is the responsibility of a player when they send the turn to make sure the turn is played within 24 hours. If the turn has not been played you must open the turn click on the 'end turn' and send it to the next player in the list. This is a zero tolerance policy and it makes no difference a turn has not been played the game for somthing out of a players control. It is also the responsibility to keep other players informed when you send a turn. As this forum can be time consuming and occasionally unavailable the quickest and easiest way to inform the other players is by e-mail.

Luk, I admit that have have contrbuted least to the role play and maybe would get more out of this game if I did. Trouble is that as the turn rate is so slow and the game is progressing so slowly a lot of the time there is very little to say. If the speed of the game increases I think the diplomacy aspect will also increase.
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Roleplaying would be nice but it's absolutely impossible with the turn rate.

I agree with Frazer We really need to enforce the 24hr rule. And think that his method is the best way of doing so.

In truth I don't see why we shouldn't be able to get thru a turn every other day. Currently I could care less about the game, this will of course change if we can run on a regular schedule.

Past performance does guarantee future results but it is the best method of indication. And unless we enforce the 24 hour rule, I fear we will slip back into the sludge.
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Frazer -> turn 91 to Sophix
Sophix -> turn 91 to Klair

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The Slav Confederate modernizing their military

Joint staff of Slav Cofederate National Military Forces with the support of Minister of National Defence decided to expand its forces by the new aircrafts. New Slav Fighters were produced last turns and it reached the 4 units number in last times. Their role will be patroling the Slav territory and French territory to avoid any suprise situations in our borders from other countries something else. In turn 90 new unit of Tanks were produced in Sevastopol. In other cities old musketters will be replaced slowly by Marines.

Slav Confedeare expands its trade

Today Slav Council of Ministers with Head of Slav Confederate decided to expand its internal trade lines. Minister of trade told "We have big internal potential and now we do not neeed to cooperate with other countries, but soon it could change"

The Slav-Mayan border estabilished

The Slav Confederate diplomats and Mayan diplomats estabilshed the border between our two Nations. The relationships between out two countries are more and more better in recent times we exchange maps and advances

Noriwch conflict finally ended, people cheers!

In past turns the Slav Minister of National Education gived the Tank Warfare technology to English and from now the Norwich agreement is fully done. People in Moscow and several other Slav cities manifestated their happiness. As the polls shows the Slav people like English much more then it was 20-30 turns ago. Almost 55% Slavs like English people and think that past conflicts were founded because of stupid politics.

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A Canadian vessel has arrived on the shores of the Viking empire. A diplomatic party bearing gifts wishes to visit with our noble neighbours.

Turn 91 to Luk

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Ottawa Gazette #1


The Great Canadian Beer Festival

Large crowds gathered in the parade grounds on Parliment hill today. Throngs of drunken Canadians consumed vast quanitys of domestic beer and partied to the sounds of Donny and Marie. Riot police were brought in after some overzealous beer connoisseur started belching beer all over donny when he and marie where right in the middle of their lovely little ditty "Puppy Love". Police eventually brought the crowds under control when they put away their batons and started passing out free beer to the thirsty masses.

The Great Canadian Bacon Festival

On the other side of Ottawa, next to the Rideau canal. Organizers held a sizzling good time by bringing out the hungry hordes to their greasy event. Other than a few heart attacks the event went very well with large quanities of back bacon being served. Also being served were greasy pancake's, greasy sausage's, greasy egg's, and greasy tatter's, all served on paper plates along with plenty of beer. Organizers say the money raised by this yearly event will go to the Heart and Stroke foundation.

Prime Minister gets a pie in the Face

Prime Minister Max Webster was visiting Newfie land when he was suddenly assaulted by a pie wielding assailent. The protester claiming to be from the P.E.I (Prince Edward Island) Pie Brigrade was displaying his disapproval with the Minister over the high taxes on beer. The Minister was at first shocked by this action and then laughed it off by saying the protester has good taste in pies. The Minister then went on to say that the protester does have a point about beer taxation. The Minister added that he will personally look into the matter and appoint another useless commission to investigate. The Minister claimed he realized the moral of the Canadian people are directly influenced by the availability of the their favorite beverage and noted that without beer this country would fail to function.


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The Viking Nation gives public thanks to the Canadians for furthering the Viking Scientific cause and cordially invites the friendly Canadian Diplomatic party to join us for a magnificent feast to celebrate our mutual affection for bacon pies and beer.

We must warn you however our Viking beer is significantly more heady than your Canadian brew. Should a drunken diplomatic inadvertently divulge any Canadian state secret during his visit the information will be past straight to our leader and our intelligence services.

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Emergency Sitting at The Dail

Ireland has seen an outbreak of severe civil disorder in some of her most beautiful Cities. Surveys show Government approval in these key constituencies to be running as high as 77% but still the crowds gather on the streets.

Ireland has never fully trusted her agressive and aquisitive neighbours, The Mayans, but without concrete proof of acts of espionage having been committed our protests have been muted. The time for silence has ended!!!

An enemy of the IFS has a Spy active upon our soil. The Intelligence Service is unable to locate the agitator for the present, but he will be found, so the nationality remains a mystery. Our steadfast allies, England, SFU and Vikings, are beyond reproach but can Mayan or Canadian really to be trusted?

On a happier note the Minister of Defence announced the successful production of a new, and very powerful, field gun to replace our aging Cannons. This re-equipment will go alongside the disbandment of our remaining Musketeers and replacement with Machine Gunners. Together with Ireland's elite Marine Corps and newly formed Tank Army our land forces will at last be able to stand shoulder to shoulder with the World's most powerful Navy!

Long Live The Free State,
Sean O'Virtue
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Long has the suffering of the Norse poor and Comrades of the Viking nation, gone unappeased. No longer. The rights of humanity transcends all other rights.

The peace loving people of England, were at first loathe to attack their brethren in the Viking territory. But when given first hand accounts of the suffering in Norway, they at first cried pitiously and then were aroused to rightious ire. The truth was clear, the brief horrors of war were nothing compared to the long agony of oppression and wage slavery.

The people of Vikland will be free. The clergy there, who long kept the people in submission thru the lies of Valhala; and disgusting propaganda that those who suffer for the good of Norway will be rewarded hereafter in Valhala. Has enraptured many a poor soul of Norway. It will no longer be tolerated. As the Viking nobility and clergy prey upon there own people and do to them all manner of evil. The crimes in Norway must be brought to justice.

Comrade White
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Frazer of the Vikings made the following statement today:

It seems our former allies the English under the guidance of their most ambitious leader Chairman Sophanthro claiming to be the 'Guardian of the Poor and Downtrodden' has declared war upon the Viking nation.

His lies about the state of the Viking nation are entirely fabricated to justify his policy of expansion. If the Vikings are the weakest military nation this is only because of our peaceful nature, preferring to spend public money on coliseums, theatres and hospitals instead of weapons of war.

The contentment of the Norse has now been disturbed by the evil Mister Sophanthro, we shall give lie to his accusations of public discontent by our stoic defence of the idyllic nation of the Vikings. The English may have the advantage when it comes to sheer power but win or lose they will suffer at our hands.

On hearing the news the best Viking bard sang to me,

I will not cease from Mental Fight
Nor shall my Sword sleep in my hand
Till I have rid Sohphanthro
From England's green and pleasant land

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Short Mayans news:

Liaison with Canadians are very good. Stop. A diplomat is travelling to Viking country to establish an embassy. Stop. Mayans decide to not research Explosive. Stop.

Not turn yet received from Luk. I hope I will receive it before 26/08 midnight gmt+1. Later I will be away until 27/08 8pm gmt+1

I created a mailing-list on egroups.com to help us keep moving DC pbem. I directly subcribe each of you. You can leave or change email address as you want. The email address is: ctpdc@egroups.com and home page is http://www.egroups.com/group/ctpdc
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The Head of Slav Confederate had called Supreme Council. Supreme Council which includes Head, President and Prime Minister of Slav Confederate has no official powerm but is the forum where the 3 mightest men in SC can share their opinions. The Supreme Commander of Joint Staff of National Military Forces was the guest in Kreml, Moscow today. They debated long time in full secrecy, but and there was no official statement. The Slav Goverment will for sure react at English agression, but the question is how strong it will be.

The Minister of National Defense ddeclared that he will be influence Prime Minister to strenghten Slav Army. For today Many Slav cities are producing Naval, Air and Panzer units which will be very helpful in every crisis.

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OFFICIAL IFS POLICY STATEMENT

War between the English and Viking nations is a great sadness to be inflicted upon the entire World but places Ireland in a uniquely difficult position. As formal Allies of both nations it is impossible for us to adopt other than a policy of strict neutrality but we are determined that this unfortunate incident should not spread.

To ensure the containment of this conflict elements of the IFS Navy have been placed in holding stations off the Viking coast. This is purely a policing measure to prevent 'third party' involvement that could escalate a minor border dispute into a potential World War.

Of particular concern is possible German involvement and in order to remind them of the ill wisdom of any such intervention a detachment from IFS Marine Corps escorted by Carrier Group No.3 is on patrol just outside German territorial waters.

It is the earnest hope of the Irish Government that this dispute can be brought to a rapid conclusion by negotiation between the parties concerned. We are simply pleased that substantial Irish Navy forces were on exercise in the area so as to be able to take up station so quickly upon the outbreak of hostilities.

Taosoich Jon, IFS

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GERMAN WORLD REPORT

(**first I'd like to say I have just discovered this thread today...I never knew of it, nobody mentioned it from the old thread that I saw)

German officials were busy in short notice meetings the past two days, looking into the facts of the conflict along an English/Viking border. Unfortunatly, not many facts have been revealed yet.

Late last night, the Minister of Defence and top Generals were meeting with President Ed about the Irish statement of the Irish navy patrolling close to German land.

President Ed released this statement as he stepped out of his office briefly, "We are sad to see the Irish felt it was necessary to lock us into our own land. Germany has never shown any aggression to another nation and we don't understand the move by Jon.
It is acceptable to be protecting the Vikings, along their borders, but when the supposed "neutral" country sails in our waters, to keep us from moving about is an outrage! Germany has done nothing to deserve such treatment. By his move today, the Irish show a lack of respect for all German people!"

Later, other officials made brief statements and some said that President Ed was physicaly upset when he heard the news about the Irish war ships. It is not a concern that the German Navy was headed anywhere, if at all, but we should not be locked from moving about. This is a big world, and it is felt by all Germans that the Irish treat us unfairly and with no respect.

Germany has had a good relationship with Jon of Ireland and hopes it continues. To stop the degration of that friendship will depend on the Irish Navy's next move, and Jon's disrespectful attitude.

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(CP News)Prime minister Max offered to the press this statement today. Having very little details on the Viking/English conflict its hard to get a clear picture on whats going on there. But after reading the statements of the English/Viking/German. I get the impression that this is a simple matter of English expansionist aggression. While their puppets the Irish try to play the role of kingmaker by blocking out any assistance to the Vikings. Of course this is speculation and we ask upon the Vikings to share their maps with us on every turn so that we can get a clearer picture of English atrocities.


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Viking News

An English Invasion force entered Viking territory today. The enemy force consisted of 18 units of marines and tanks. They seemed intent on attacking the small town of Upursula. It was with great regret that the Viking high command took the decision to make a tactical withdrawal from this area. Troops have been relocated in order to defend a larger more important town. The retreating solders set fire to the buildings of Uppusla in order to minimise the gain of the enemy however it is estimated that around 10 thousand civilians remain in the area, there is already plans in place to build a new city for the farmers of Upursla to resettle but for the time being they are at the mercy of English forces. Should these innocent civilians be attacked by the English it would constitute a gross breach of humanitarian rights. Who knows what evils the war criminal Sophix is capable of ?

Elsewhere the Vikings have been working hard to maximise the effectiveness of the defence of all the remaining cities. Frazer has contacted all other world leaders in a plea for international aid as it is not felt that Viking defences are adequate at this time and the power of the English will be much increased should the invasion plans come to fruition.

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The criminals of Norway today, forced their poor to form a human shield. At first the compassionate English soldiers, wanted to bring the poor citenzry back to England, but the oppressed citizens informed them that if this were to happen thier families back home would be mercilessly tortured by the clergy. So the citezenry was sent home to Norway.

The English general believed that the entire Norse east would be captured within 5 turns all the way to Hladir. Which is not surrounded by the third British army. As well as a small deployment of Battleships and Destroyers. It is expected to fall in one or two turns.

Many of the nations of the world have considered this an attempt of English expansion, yes the final result will bring about the expansion of British territories, but that is not the ultimate goal of England. The secretary of Defense admitted that should foriegn involvement reach a certain point that England would have no choice, but to remove Norway from the continent to disallow any foothold by foriegn princes. He also went on to say that England remains well guarded at that none of the over 30 units now present in Vikland were taken from British defenses.

There is also a misconcieved notion that Britain is a powerful nation, this is both true and untrue. Militarily Britain can stand toe to toe with any nation, but in the long haul we represent little threat to the SFU or the Canadian/Mayan alliance.

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IFS Foreign Ministry Statement.

It is with grave disquiet that we have read the insulting and provocative statements issued by the German and Canadian Governments.

The Free State is a formal Ally of both protagonists in this unfortunate dispute and therefore unable to adopt other than a policy of strict neutrality. We are however determined that this will not escalate into a Global Conflict and are just pleased that by a fortunate coincidence substantial elements of the IFS Navy were on exercise off the Viking coast to enable us to take up Peacekeeping duties immediately.

Canadian suggestions that Ireland is anyone's puppet are deeply offensive and an immediate retraction is demanded. Ireland will act as she sees fit to defend her own interests whilst maintaining her Treaty Obligations. It is against Irish interests that any 'third party' forces should become envolved and any and all measures needed to prevent this occuring will be taken.

German complaints are similarly without foundation. Teutonic expansionism has always been a fear and to prevent any such manouvres an IFS Fleet has been in position for many years. Never has the territorial integrity of Germany been violated and unless they seek to interfere in the current Anglo-Viking dispute this will remain the case.

We pray for Peace but will not ignore the dangers of War.

Liam Large
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Statement of Slav-French Union (after debate between Klair and Luk):

The Slav-French Union has send the ultimatum to British Prime Minister. If British forces will not withdraw from Viking territory, Slav-French Union will go in state fo war with England. France, and Slav Confederate started to produce vast amount of units, and now we are going to produce about 40-50 military intis per 6-7 turns. We will smash England out from Viking territory and then we will continue our offense in England until decisive victory. We do not want a war but we will react if English will attack innocent Viking peacefull nation.

So if England doesnt want war with mighty SFU then England must stop invasion to Viking territory.

If Ireland will attack any of country which is helping Viking nation, SFU will react immidiatly

Signed,
Luk - Head of SC
Klair - Head of France

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England is considering the ultimatem set forward by the SFU. No official statement has been made.

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I would like to remind all nations that as an Ally of both warring Nations Ireland cannot take, or be seen to take, sides. This does not mean that we have forgotten our Treaty obligations to either with regard to Third Party envolvement.

My personal view's on the morality of English Foreign Policy are not a matter of public concern and have been conveyed 'off thread'.

Ireland has no desire for War with any nation but those who believe that Insults and Threats will serve to influence our chosen path of watchful and guarded neutrality are much mistaken.

Ireland can and will protect her own territorial integrity by any means she sees fit.

Taosoich Jon, IFS

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Canadian officals debated the Viking/English crises today in the House of Commons. Heated debate raged over whether Canada should get involved. Prime Minster Max was asked to supply an apology to the Irish goverment on his controversial remarks by the opposition party. The Prime Minister claimed his remarks were indeed insultive and offers a public apology.

The Prime Minister also claimed that even though he understands Irish neutrality due to it alliances, it still doesn't understand how it can stand by and watch a fellow ally being slaughtered and butchered by the English army. At least it can do is allow an peacekeeping force help the Vikings in their time of need.

Prime Minister confided with his defense advisors and after much consultation is still undecided on the course of action the Canadians should take in this matter. He claimed we will help but how and how much is still being examined.

 
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