04-09-2002 02:16									#61
	Pop-up Killers... Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

MarkG,

I don't ever see pop-ups on Apolyton because I use an ad-killer (I was surprised to learn there were pop-up ads on Apolyton in the first place) and I was wondering about your general thoughts on the matter. Obviously the ad revenue keeps apolyton going strong but I hardly ever click on ad banners under any circumstances and make a special point to never to respond to pop-ups. I find pop-ups like Orbitz and X-10 ads to be particulalry rude in how they force me to repsond ON MY PERSONAL SYSTEM to a change in my software. F-em all... Do you any thoughs on Ad-killers?

	04-09-2002 02:30									#62
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my thoughts?

Ad-killes are Site-killers

pop-ups pay based on the views. you dont have to click in order for us to get something. if you kill pop-ups you're passing on our cost to provide you this site for free to the other visitors...

clear enough?

	04-09-2002 03:47									#63
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Markos,

who uses Mozilla to kill pop-ups?

	04-09-2002 04:33									#64
	Put an end to popups!

quote: Originally posted by Rasbelin Markos, who uses Mozilla to kill pop-ups?

Not to speak for Markos...

I asked about his thoughts on ad-killers. I use Opera 6.0.3 for my browser and an ad-killer I won't mention by name. I don't use Mozilla though I would be interested in hearing comments on people who use it and have experience with Opera. After switching from IE 6.x I won't go back. Opera is so much nicer in how it handles multiple open "windows". I also love the fact taht I can easily do a Google search by simply typing a "g" in the address bar followed by my search querry and go right to Google... Anyway...

As a follow-up to Markos' reply, I disabled my ad-killer and played around with verious forum styles. I didn't get any pop-ups until I switched to Light-Ultra Special-Civ 3. I tried all of the Civ-3 special styles and a few others to see what the differences were in appearance and encountered no pop-ups except for the one noted above. I have no idea if that is good or bad as far as Apolyton is concerned but in consideration of the hard work and outstanding content that Markos and everyone else at Apolyton provides, I excluded Apolyton.com in my ad-killer so whatever pop-ups there are will not be blocked. Keep up the great work Markos!

	04-09-2002 11:52									#65
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Kindbud,

thanks for killing your ad-killer

you got a single pop-up cause we're not a warez or a porno site or one of those other gaming sites.

With the ultra-special styles you will get the grand total of 1 pop-up every 6 hours

	04-09-2002 16:57									#66
	Tired of ads?

quote: Originally posted by MarkG my thoughts? Ad-killes are Site-killers pop-ups pay based on the views. you dont have to click in order for us to get something. if you kill pop-ups you're passing on our cost to provide you this site for free to the other visitors... clear enough?

This means if just the pop up is loaded you get paid, even if I close it before its loading has finished. WOW

quote: Originally posted by MarkG you got a single pop-up cause we're not a warez or a porno site or one of those other gaming sites.

That's good. If there were to many I would use one. But to be honest I would miss the banners.

quote: Originally posted by MarkG With the ultra-special styles you will get the grand total of 1 pop-up every 6 hours

From my experience only if you use cookies (actual I didn't test this) and if you are logged in.

-Martin

	04-09-2002 17:13									#67
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quote: From my experience only if you use cookies (actual I didn't test this) and if you are logged in.

well that's the benefits of registering an account: to store your settings

	04-09-2002 18:56									#68
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kindbud, i wasn't aware you needed an adkiller in opera.

i use opera when i'm at home, and there is an option:

file--- >quick preferences--- >refuse pop-up windows

that takes care of all popup advertisements, leaving just the banner ads around. so i'm wondering-- markg, which one tends to be more profitable to your site? would it hurt your site financially if everyone, say, just saw the banner ads instead of the popups/popunders? or are the banner ads just click-through?

and as for searching with google in ie or mozilla: if you go to google.com and look under "tools", you'll find utilities/plugins that you can install that do the same thing. or, you can go to windows, download tweakUI, and play around with the default search keys.

	04-09-2002 19:26									#69
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the pop ups on the default style are awful.

Basically it's the same things over and over, and they run minimized so all of a sudden you look down and there are 7 ads running that you have to close

Do I really have to change my style to not see them?

	04-09-2002 19:29									#70
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case in point

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This has been downloaded 32 time(s).

	04-09-2002 19:33									#71
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oh it gets better...as I posted the last post...(and subsequently, as I loaded this page...)

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This has been downloaded 31 time(s).

	04-09-2002 19:36									#72
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as you can see...it just keeps getting worse...

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This has been downloaded 31 time(s).

	04-09-2002 19:48									#73
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I have Mozilla and used to use Opera. Opera seemed to load pages like ESPN and other IE featured sites poorly. They looked bad. Not to mention Mozilla's built in script popup killer as well as other features that make it supperior in my opinion. Plus, I never liked Opera's ad at the top.

	04-09-2002 20:12									#74
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Opera's not free. that's the big thing. you get a free download with the banner, or you pay and get it without.

Opera also has rendering issues with certain sites, either because a) the designer was lazy and didn't conform to HTML 4.01 Strict or b) Opera's rendering engine renders some tags differently.

that's why.

and besides, all of Mozilla's new features, they ripped from Opera.

	04-09-2002 22:41									#75
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so will the special-default have as many pop ups as the default view does?

	04-09-2002 23:29									#76
	Suffering from ads?

ironically(as it was the other way around), no

	05-09-2002 00:57									#77
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I don't read, pay attention to, or otherwise respond to internet ads. Never, as in "not ever". I do not currently have any ad-blocking software activated on my computer. I *do* have some though that I *will* activate again if driven to it.

When pop-ups (and unders) come up every time I post, that is too often. I've abandoned otherwise interesting internet sites before, and I can do it again.

	05-09-2002 01:05									#78
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quote: I don't read, pay attention to, or otherwise respond to internet ads. Never, as in "not ever".

noone argues on the use of advertising other than keep this site alive and free

quote: When pop-ups (and unders) come up every time I post, that is too often.

is every 6 hours better?

	05-09-2002 04:48									#79
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I just got an ad that would not be clicked away:

It would not go away even when I clicked it off!

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Interesting, even when I posted the file site, it does not show up...

	05-09-2002 07:39									#80
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OK, I just changed my "style" of seeing the board. I chose "Light".

So, explain why I should give up my ability to know who posted last on a thread in order to escape a pop-up ad...

What's the connection? Why should one cause the other? An inquiring mind wants to know.

	05-09-2002 08:48									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed kindbud, i wasn't aware you needed an adkiller in opera. i use opera when i'm at home, and there is an option: file--- >quick preferences--- >refuse pop-up windows that takes care of all popup advertisements, leaving just the banner ads around. so i'm wondering-- markg, which one tends to be more profitable to your site? would it hurt your site financially if everyone, say, just saw the banner ads instead of the popups/popunders? or are the banner ads just click-through? and as for searching with google in ie or mozilla: if you go to google.com and look under "tools", you'll find utilities/plugins that you can install that do the same thing. or, you can go to windows, download tweakUI, and play around with the default search keys.

Q,

Thanks for the heads up on Opera. I didn't know it had that option. I was already using an ad-killer when I gave up on IE and just continued using it when I started using Opera. Opera gets even better!

Also, I use the Google toobar at work and i like it just fine but there is something nicer about not taking up extra screen real estate for those features. I can't remember using that Google toolbar for anything other than searches.

Finally, on using TweakUI, I had seen a piece either on Call for Help or The Screensavers on techTV about using TweakUIand XP to make just such a change and it seemed awfully complicated - much more so than in Win 98 so that is something for me to mess with down the road. Thanks for the tips though!

	05-09-2002 10:53									#82
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quote: OK, I just changed my "style" of seeing the board. I chose "Light". So, explain why I should give up my ability to know who posted last on a thread in order to escape a pop-up ad...

i suggested changing to a "special" style, not a "light" one

	05-09-2002 15:08									#83
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