28-08-2002 01:53									#1
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Now we often b!tch and moan about some civilizations: "Queen Lizzy is a *****", " Bismark is an *******" , etc. Do you have any experiences in which the civs you were facing were nice , and what civs were they?


For me, the Greeks are the friendliest civ. Having rather lame specialties ( Commercial , Scientific) , and an ancient defensive UU , They almost never tried to get tribute from me , and I don't think I remember a time in which they were the ones to initiate hostilities.

What do you think?

	28-08-2002 04:03									#2
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Of all the civs, I'd say that there is no friendliest. I usually play as a warmonger. Later on when I've got communications with everyone, they're all annoyed and are likely to demand tribute (my refusal causing them to trigger a world war). If I play as a builder, I nearly always get sneak attacked, regardless of whether it is a low aggression civ like France or India; a mid-level aggression civ like America or Greece; or a high aggression civ like Zululand or Germany.

If I'm going too well, they'll always be hating me, unless I've signed them into a military alliance or traded luxuries to them. If they are going poorly when compared to me, they will sometimes gamble on a seemingly suicidal sneak attack. If they are going too well compared to me, they'll get very demanding.

I don't believe a single civ to be more hateable than any other, regardless of aggression level. Its mostly their situation that drives them to do things that make me hate them for the rest of the game. I've even had situations where Bismarck and Shaka are my most loyal allies regardless of the fact that they are the most aggressive civs in the game, and France being conniving scumbags despite their apparent passive attitude.

	28-08-2002 20:57									#3
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I agree, Alexander always seems to like me......... Course, there is that rumor about.........

	02-09-2002 02:23									#5
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Ive always found Lizzie to be a decent neighbour, good for trading and later on a half decent Ally, to top it off, when you want to invade her its usualy not all that hard.

	02-09-2002 05:22									#6
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Here's a bit of a story that gives something to think about in terms of loyalties.

I just finished a game (Standard map, Regent difficulty) as the Incan civ I added to my game (Space Race victory). Though I attacked the Americans (to the south of me) early, and took four of their critical cities (including Washington), they were eventually polite and became very loyal allies.

The English (to the north) of me were also somewhat loyal in the earlier stages, even though I had REXed my way to boxing them into a small peninsula.

Greece and India shared a large island off the largest continent, occupied by Egypt in the north, Japan in the middle and Rome in the south. They were all polite.

I had peacefully powered through the middle ages as a monarchy, then republic (after core cities had markets and cathedrals and then democracy (since the Incas are religious in my mod, this was no problem at all). I had reached the Industrial age long before even Egypt, the most advanced rival in the game. My huge military was constantly growing, since I could afford it (having Smith's Trading Co. helps greatly). I was the largest, most advanced, wealthiest and most powerful civ in the game.

Then the political stability of the world as it was known, crumbled to dust. Greece sent a single warrior out of the useless jungle settlements they had established on my continent and foolishly sneak attacked me. They lost the battle to my superior Infantry units, and my retaliation was swift and decisive, having taken all of their jungle settlements on my continent. Then the true colours of the English began to show, as they willingly joined Greece against me. I then signed the rest of the world into a war against Greece (including America, who had since become gracious with me).

Gandhi, being the sneaky little scumbag he is in this game, signed an alliance against me with England (despite being allied with me against Greece). Once all of my alliances expired (and I had taken much of England's core cities), I sued for peace with all three of them (India returning to polite almost right away). I continued through the rest of the Industrial age in peace, while the rest of the world was warring. Greece's power began to decline as I entered the modern age.

I had amassed a large fleet of warships, and a large landing force comprised of two transports of Infantry, two transports of tanks and three transports of Marines. After redeclaring war on Greece, I forced a landing and wiped them out within 6-8 turns (India had greatly weakened them earlier).


Now try and convince me that Alexander and Elizabeth are always good neighbours.

	02-09-2002 15:15									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Fighter Ive always found Lizzie to be a decent neighbour, good for trading and later on a half decent Ally, to top it off, when you want to invade her its usualy not all that hard.

It seems to me that who is freindly depends a lot on playingstyle. Somehow I can't stay freindly with Lizzie for a longer period. She always ends up trying to hit me (rarely anything but hot air, though). I am mostly one of her neighbours so perhaps she just feels the need for land.

	02-09-2002 15:45									#8
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I find it hard to be friendly with amost anyone. The AI is constantly trying to build settlements on my mainland, And NOTHING ticks me off more thant that. In my latest game as Romans , Monarch , Medium Continents, Large map, Wet, temperate, After I've clashed with both the Zulus and the Babs that were both better than me in technology, and defeating them ( Legionary!!!! ) , a weakling german civ has established a city in my southern tundrah. I don't need it the least, but I feel this urge to kick their asses. The babs , and the Zulus are still strong, and if I attack the germans they'll almost certainly join. What do I do? I dunno, really.

	02-09-2002 22:40									#9
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the romans

	03-09-2002 00:31									#10
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The Romans? The ' Legions Legions everywhere ' Romans?! They're one of the worst , for me.

	04-09-2002 15:30									#11
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they're usually a peaceful and weak civ in my games

	04-09-2002 15:57									#12
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well, they're that way in most of my games, that or FAAR away. but when they're averagely strong they're a pain of the ancient age. When I play as Romans, I am not ashamed of building their UU even in middle middle ages.

	04-09-2002 20:17									#13
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The French (surprisingly) are usually ok.

	05-09-2002 00:51									#14
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The indians.

They are very passive and never demand tribute.


But the worst of all are the Egyptians.They always start near me and always emerge as a superpower.

	06-09-2002 07:49									#15
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Russia is the absolute worst neighbor ever. Of all the other civs I hate Catherine the most. Evil Russians!

	08-09-2002 17:04									#16
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She is not the most evil, but she never seems to like me.

	09-09-2002 01:10									#17
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the chinese are often incredibly powerful, but friendly at the same time

	09-09-2002 16:16									#18
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If everyone lived like you, we would need 1.3 planets.

Category
global hectares

Food 1.4

Mobility 0.2

Shelter 0.3

Goods/Services 0.5

Total Footprint 2.4
In comparison, the average ecological footprint in your country is 4.4 global hectares per person.




Worldwide, there exist 1.8 biologically productive global hectares per person.



( probably because I live in a multistory appartment building , in a flat with a bit less than 60 meters, with 3 other people and a dog. )

	09-09-2002 22:26									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel If everyone lived like you, we would need 1.3 planets.

you talking to me? (my post is above yours)

	16-09-2002 08:22									#21
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Greeks.

They had 4 cities and gave me all their techs. I annexed them a few turns after that.

	17-09-2002 07:05									#22
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Not one civ in particular bothers me, but all of them!

I am not a militaristic player. I peacefully spend my time building cities and city improvements. Generally, the other civs respect my usually undefended cities. But eventually, every civ is land hungry and determines that holes in my culture are perfect city spots. This pisses me off! I'm then forced to eliminate that city with my one or two military units, thereby triggering a huge world war.

Also, I hate that civs trade technology easily with each other, but are very demanding when they want something of mine. I rarely see two computer civs fight each other. It's always them against me. Luckily I have immortals.

	17-09-2002 09:58									#23
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in my games i usually get the zulu and the germans to like me because we go into military alliances together. it's fun mass-murdering with the greats.

	24-09-2002 02:23									#24
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Joan is usually a nice, quiet, and loyal neighbor. The Persians, Russians, and I never get along.

	09-10-2002 02:12									#25
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French are the most negotiable for me, commercial and industrious, there is nothign too much threatening about those. Maybe that commercial acting as more tribute for me to demand on... Not to mention musketeer isn't a big threat when it comes to attacking or defending.

	09-10-2002 05:43									#26
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French seem to usually like me.
Russians are usually abysmally weak and disslike me.
Persia is powerful and annoying.

	12-11-2002 04:07									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Kingof the Apes French seem to usually like me. Russians are usually abysmally weak and disslike me. Persia is powerful and annoying.

Don't get me started on Persia, they ALWAYS push their luck with me and if I try to kick them out they declare war. Oh go ahead and get bent out of shape, lol.

I find that France and India are good neighbors to have. They never seem to push their luck with me and usually respect my borders.

	12-11-2002 21:54									#28
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Yeah... the chinesse are always fine... and the romans are a good companion.

	13-11-2002 11:09									#29
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India.

	14-11-2002 18:03									#30
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I agree with Azazel about territoriality - nothing ticks me off more than when my neighbors send a galleon with a settler in it blithely sailing into my mainland, plunking down a city, totally oblivious to the fury that awaits them for invading my turf...
No one really wins the prize for most gracious , but I think I've had the least trouble out of the Iroquois and the Indians - but even they will stab you in the back if they get the right offer... normally peaceful civs will get dragged into war before you know it...