31-08-2002 03:13									#1
	The Apolytonian Geographic Society - Request your maps here. Put an end to popups!

We (caesarqbear and me) are opening this thread for everyone who needs a specific map. Post here, explaining what you want, and we’ll make it! (well, we will try, at least… ).

Edit: I wrote reddawg instead of caesarqbear, in the first line of this thread. It's fixed now. Reddawg is an important member of this society, but the idea of the thread belongs to caesarqbear... Sorry, caesar! Man, only my old age can explains such error. Blame the lack of neurons...

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	31-08-2002 03:20									#2
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It might be cool to have a continent wide map, showing infrastructure all around-- all the significant roads (connectors) and the cities, showing the connected and unconnected.

	31-08-2002 03:51									#3
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Ok. Probably tomorrow.
Edit: Maybe a little later, the RL attacks again...

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	31-08-2002 04:14									#4
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With the grid, could you make a map with absolute coordinates written on the grid, in fact simply one number (as it is often on war games map)?

	31-08-2002 05:08									#5
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Davout,
Where should be the (0,0) coordinate?

	31-08-2002 06:27									#6
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At quick count, the continent of Abananaba is 65 tiles N-S and 50 tiles E-W, 52 tiles NW-SE, and 93 NE-SW. A single number (x) system is too combersome i think, but a two number system (x,y) should do. Isn't there something of the sort already bult into Civ3? If not, I think we should base a cooridinate system on a tilted axis (i.e., X would run NW-SE, and y SW-NE) with the meridian in our capital obviously!
This is just a quick suggestion.

	31-08-2002 06:56									#7
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I agree with caesarqbear. Apolyton should be the (0,0).
Well, two requests. What job do you want Caesar? The road map or the coordinate’s one?

	31-08-2002 06:58									#8
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hehe I can easily come up with more maps.
Both involving all of abananaba:
Topgraphical map showing terrain done by color code for easy viewing in a small image.
Map showing ELEVATION (guess).

	31-08-2002 07:20									#9
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interesting thought: a map that combines statistical data with the actual maps... mmmmm.i think i could make one for Apolyton that shows the ethnic group distributions. it would take some creativity and liberty but it'd be neat.

	31-08-2002 07:25									#10
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I can do the coordinate one Aro, but I'd like to wait and see what others think about my suggested system for a bit...

Epistax- Good idea on the topographical map, I'll try that out. What other information would be important on this? resources? special terrain?

An Elevation map? What do you think this is, AC?
I personally don't quite understand the use of that kind of map in Civ3, and I can't imagine the headaches and debate over proper heights. If you can figure out an efficient and fair way of doing this, let me know, and I'll hand-off the work to Aro

	31-08-2002 07:25									#11
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I am thinking about making another influence graph. It shades a grey scale map in the color of a civ, given their city sizes and culture ratings. It forms a basic 'power' between the civs in the geography.

	31-08-2002 08:02									#12
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Ok, caesar. I'll do the road map.
Epistax,
About the 'culture ratings", do you mean cultural borders? Remember, English is not my first language... Could you explain again? (and slowly...)

Edit: The elevation map... Hum... we could draw level curves in a non political map... and then put dots to mark cities, with their names. We have to do a try, and see if it works.

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	31-08-2002 08:11									#13
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Aro, yes, sorta. Cities start with a culture rating of 0. Each time their culture expands, it increases by 1. I think the highest any of our cities has right now is 2. Babylon might be a 3. I think the scale usually goes from 0 to 5, I don't remember if 6 and 7 are possible.

	31-08-2002 08:16									#14
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Man I'll have to buy more traffic and storage at Yahoo Geocities... I can see four, maybe six new kind of maps...

quote: Originally posted by Reddawg interesting thought: a map that combines statistical data with the actual maps... mmmmm.i think i could make one for Apolyton that shows the ethnic group distributions. it would take some creativity and liberty but it'd be neat.

Great idea, Reddawg, welcome to the Geographic Society (hey, you are in already... )

Edit: Ok, Epistax. I'll do the road map first and then this one.

	31-08-2002 14:26									#15
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quote: Originally posted by caesarqbear At quick count, the continent of Abananaba is 65 tiles N-S and 50 tiles E-W, 52 tiles NW-SE, and 93 NE-SW. A single number (x) system is too combersome i think, but a two number system (x,y) should do. Isn't there something of the sort already bult into Civ3? If not, I think we should base a cooridinate system on a tilted axis (i.e., X would run NW-SE, and y SW-NE) with the meridian in our capital obviously! This is just a quick suggestion.

The one number system would have a four figures number written on the grid. I presume the two number system would not, because this would be more cumbersome than the one number. But if the numbers are not on the grid, referencing a tile will be more difficult, and subject to errors (due to the tilt). For the one number system, I find that the origine should be in a corner.

But I will be happy with any of the two systems.

	31-08-2002 20:10									#16
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We’ll have a turnchat today, and I think is better wait for the save before make the maps. This means a little delay but, by other hand, means also fresh maps tomorrow.
Caesarqbear, I fixed the error on the first post… Sorry by that!

	31-08-2002 20:33									#17
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caesarqbear just finished an excellent non-political map (no cities, resources and luxuries highlighted),
you can find it at the same place , as usual.
here is a thumbnail:

Attachment: nonpoliticalmap2thumb.jpg
This has been downloaded 353 time(s).

	31-08-2002 21:03									#18
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We have a lot of jobs pending, and we need some help. Specifically about the region’s maps. Could someone give me some links for the official names of the regions, with their cities?

	31-08-2002 21:55									#19
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This is not very important, but I think it would be cool if you could make an ancient-looking map, like as if it were on parchment and such, with the unexplored areas have sea monsters, etc.

	31-08-2002 22:39									#20
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Mr. skywalker, is good to see you again! Your idea is important, 'cause the visual effects are a big part of the fun. Our maps have a purpose, but they need to look as beautiful as possible without loose any data. I’ll made a try and draw some sea monsters. Err… this is not for now, will take some days; you can see how busy we are…

	01-09-2002 02:41									#21
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Davout- Could you explain some more about the one number system? Perhaps you could direct me to an example somewhere? I agree that one number is easier then 2, however with the sheer number of tiles we would go over 9999, plus with a wrap-around world map there is no real corner.

	01-09-2002 03:02									#22
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Aro - I meant like actually transforming the entire map, maybe redrawing it. There WOULD be a loss of information, as there would be no real color variation; this is parchment. I don't really care whether or not it gets done - I'm just saying it would be really cool.

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Aro: if your sea monsters come out lousy you might wanna try searching images.google.com. I was able to find some interesting stuff under the keywords 'sea monsters'.

	01-09-2002 03:46									#24
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Epistax - you can get to any level. You just need enough culture, which is hard, as the amount you need increases exponentially.

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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Aro - I meant like actually transforming the entire map, maybe redrawing it. There WOULD be a loss of information, as there would be no real color variation; this is parchment. I don't really care whether or not it gets done - I'm just saying it would be really cool.

Yes, that means redraw the map. But we can do it without any loss (well, we'll lost terrain info,maybe... or not! I'm thinking...), just will take more time. This could be a "historical map", just for fun. Some kind of ancient document. Due the grid structure, a plane map will look "different" (the actual maps are projections in perspective). A map like this could be very cool indeed.

quote: Originally posted by Shiber Aro: if your sea monsters come out lousy you might wanna try searching images.google.com. I was able to find some interesting stuff under the keywords 'sea monsters'.

Thanks, Shiber. Do you want the job?
Seriously, i'll do it. Thanks a lot

	01-09-2002 05:11									#26
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quote: Originally posted by caesarqbear Davout- Could you explain some more about the one number system? Perhaps you could direct me to an example somewhere? I agree that one number is easier then 2, however with the sheer number of tiles we would go over 9999, plus with a wrap-around world map there is no real corner.

Lets take your example : 65 x 52 makes 3380; it would take 100 x 100 to reach 10000. The numbering would be : first tile in the left bottom corner = 1, the tile above =2, and the top of the column = 52 ; le second column would begin with 53 and end with 104, and so on. Last column begins 3329 and ends 3380.

Yes, there is no real corner, also, instead we could choose, to be numbered from one to 52, the column including the tile where Apolitonia is located.

	01-09-2002 05:20									#27
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Epistax - you can get to any level. You just need enough culture, which is hard, as the amount you need increases exponentially.

No I think when you reach 6 or 7 you get an instant culture victory. It would take almost every wonder in the game in the same city.

	01-09-2002 05:23									#28
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Not if another city has close culture. Anyway, you CAN play on after you win.

	01-09-2002 23:54									#29
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Does anybody know what the grid size of the map were playing on is? I'm not too sure it's under 100x100.
The one number system sounds pretty good, although it would be harder to extrapolate a tile's ordinal than a coordinate system.

	02-09-2002 00:30									#30
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The map is huge, meaning it's 160x160