01-09-2002 00:38									#1
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I said no text!

	01-09-2002 01:29									#2
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Ki omws h pagerh siwph twn Ellhnwn tou forum synexizetai!

	01-09-2002 01:38									#3
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Signomi re file alla poios noiazetai;

Min to pareis prosopika...

	01-09-2002 01:43									#4
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Eipa mhpws endiaferotan kanenas alla apo oti fainetai den yparxei kai poly interest.
Den to pairnw proswpika re,siga pia to thema.
Egw panw apo ola th metafrash thn kanw gia th loksa mou kai proxwraw synexws.To poly poly na to steilw se kana PC Master gia opoion endiaferthei.

	01-09-2002 01:47									#5
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you're expecting answers when you dont post anyhing yourself?

how about some details? a screenshot perhaps?

	01-09-2002 01:53									#6
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I had already edited myfirst message telling people that I had Solved the problem but still no one would say what they thought of it.
Details?I have completed 1/3 of script.txt and after I'm finished I plan on definitely translating The Civilopedia and Diplomacy.
Screenshots?I don't have any snapshot util but I guess I ll find one soon.

P.S:Remember that I've only been in this forum for 2 days!

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	01-09-2002 15:51									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Fox Mulder Eipa mhpws endiaferotan kanenas alla apo oti fainetai den yparxei kai poly interest. Den to pairnw proswpika re,siga pia to thema. Egw panw apo ola th metafrash thn kanw gia th loksa mou kai proxwraw synexws.To poly poly na to steilw se kana PC Master gia opoion endiaferthei.

Etsi entaxei, kai tora pou to skeftomai eime mazi sou.

Giati diladi oi germanoi kai ispanoi na to exoun metafrasmeno;.

	01-09-2002 18:57									#8
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Auto pou me kanei edw kai 3 meres pia na doulevw sunexws panw tou(en mesw exetatiskhs!) einai oti vrhka tropo na mhn to exw se greeklish.
Sthn arxh to dokimasa greeklish alla htan poly xenerwma.
Enw me ellhnikous xarakthres einai xarma ofthalmwn.Afou vrhka kai atomo pou protithetai na metafrasei kommatia ths Civilopedia(gia pio grhgora ennoeitai!!!Oxi epeidh den mporw egw.Doxa to Theo ta agglika ta gnwrizw polu kala)...

	02-09-2002 11:01									#9
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Polu endiaferon idea!

	02-09-2002 11:39									#10
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How do you translate:
"All your base are belong to us!"

	02-09-2002 21:45									#11
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Hmm...Oles oi bash sou einai anhkei se mas?

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Aplws sas plhroforw oti to ergo proxwraei kanonika kai oti to script.txt einai gyrw sto 60% kai perimenw na to teleiwsw mexri methaurio.Isws kai aurio to brady(an piestw kapws).

	07-09-2002 00:59									#13
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Eimai sthn polh mou autes tis meres.To project to proxwrhsa kapws enw vrhka kai deutero atomo pou tha kanei translate merika kommatia apo civpedia.De perimenw na teleiwsei sunolika to project prin ta telh septemvriou alla tha deixei.Eimai gurw sto 65 me 70 %.

	07-09-2002 02:55									#14
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Kali sunexeia

Anameno me endiaferon ti metafrasi

	11-09-2002 00:09									#15
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Erwthseis:
1.Pws tha metafrazate eseis to "flood plain"?Epishs to "default rules"?Na parei kollhse to myalo mou kai thelw na vrw mia akribh orlogia gia to "default"...

2.H metafrash tou Republic ws "Laokratia" sas akougetai paraxenh?Emena kalh mou fainetai alla an den akousw kai exwterikh gnwmh de mporw na vgalw sumperasmata.

3.H Zululand legetai "Zouloulandh" sta ellhnika,etsi den einai?Pws leme Souazilandh,ena prama...

4.Auta pros to paron mporw na skeftw.Thanx prokatavolika se periptwsh pou voithisei kaneis.To project einai gia olous mas!

Ta leme.

	11-09-2002 01:44									#16
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1.Default =prokathorismeno; Gia to flood den xero.
2.Vasika o aristotelis to elege dimokratia kai tin Democracy tin elege politeia. elege oti gia kathe politeuma uparxei i kali kai i kaki morphi.

Basileia-Turania
Aristocratia-Oligarxia
Politeia-Dimokrateia

3.Nai Zululandi. Alla den tha itan kalitera "Autokratoria ton Zulu", i "KwaZulu" sta Africanica;


Elpizo na voithisa.

	11-09-2002 01:53									#17
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Polla Thanx Palaiologe gia th voithia.

Eidika to "prokaqorismeno" einai idanikos oros.

"Autokratoria twn Zulu" einai eindeiktiko politeumatos opote as to afhsoume mallon.

Shmera doulepsa kai to script.txt kai to labels.txt an kai paraskevi grafw anatomia.
To script.txt thelei mono merikes metafraseis stous advisors kai ta upoloipa einai ekeina pou leei o science advisor otan pas na kaneis research kathe technology.En oligois,to 1 arxeio teleiwnei sxedon!

	11-09-2002 02:01									#18
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Elpizw, an ola pane gorga, sto Civ3:Play the world na uparxei kosmos pou na paizei sta ellhnika!An kai spasthka me ta traits twn Tourkwn kai mou fenete oti h Firaxis meta to Alpha Centauri kanei ola ta lathi mazemena.
Akou na vgalei to Fontamentalismo kai to poison water supply tou Espionage logw 11/9!
Pantws toulaxiston oson afora tous Araves egw thewrw thn prosfora tous sthn Episthmh shmantikh.An kai den to xw psaxei gia tis alles episthmes (oti xerw apo to sxoleio), eidika sthn Iatrikh voithisan kai me metafraseis Ippokratikwn,Galhnikwn kai loipwn keimenwn kai me dikes tous prosthikes,kuriws Farmakologias.

	11-09-2002 02:41									#19
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Xereis exoume mia megali sizitisi gia tous tourkous kai ta traits tous sto thread "Turks" tou Tiberius gia to PTW. Axizei na to daivaseis olo selida, selida exei pola endiaferonta stoixeia mesa. Eimai o monos Elinas ekei pera kai os ek toutou o monos me anti tourkikes apopseis.

Tha sou sinistousa na to diavaseis( eidika gia ta istorika stixia pou anaferontai ekei mesa).

Kai oso gia tous araves tha eprepe na eine scientific. Oi tourkoi to mono pu anakalipsan eine oi tourkikes toualetes.

Gia ta politeumata ti les? Sostos o Aristotelis?

Isos to Republic na onomastei Oxlocratia. Sti civilopaedia lei oti to republic einai omada poleon-craton organomenon se omospondia. Isos sinomospondia tote;Simpoliteia;

Aurio (isos kai simera) tha vro gia to flood plains.

Last edited by Palaiologos on 11-09-2002 at 14:07

	11-09-2002 03:18									#20
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i feel so left out!

*mutters in MONGOLIAN*

muhahahahaha!

	11-09-2002 17:17									#21
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Xtes,PRIN na grapsw gia to project ths metafrashs kathomoun hdh kai to diavaza to "Turks".
Gia thn akriveia to eixa psaxei o idios prin apo kamia dekaria hmeres otan ematha oti oi turkoi einai sto expansion,alla epeidh hmoun se internet cafe de prolava na ta diavasw ola.Opote ekana search "turks" kai na to.
Pragmatika uparxei polys asxetos kosmos (xenoi kyriws...) pou nomizei oti h politikh twn tourkwn exei allaxei teleutaia.As pane na zhsoun ligo sto kourdistan ki an de fane kamia rouketa apo peripolo elikopterwn, tha tous pw egw.Ki ystera lene oti sth Thraki katapiezoume tous "Tourkous".
Prwton,h syntriptikh pleiopshfia twn Mousoulmanwn ths Thrakis autoprosdiorizontai swsta ws Pomakoi (pou einai ,outws h allws, pomakoi kai OXI Tourkoi.Tous Tourkous den tous pane, giati prospathoun na tous xrhsimopoihsoun san politiko upovathro diekdikhsewn)
Otan lew syntriptikh pleiopshfia ennow suntriptikh,oxi asteia.
2.Eimaste pio anektikoi me tous mousoulmanous apo oti me tous Ellines giati eimaste filoxenoi.Ton Ellina ton binelikwneis me th mia enw tous allous oxi toso eukola.
3.An einai oi Tourkoi scientific kai oxi oi Arabs tote ti na pw?Ama xanaparw paixnidi ths Firaxis...
To poly na vgalei h Activision kanena Alpha Centauri:Call to Power , giati an pei h Firaxis na ftiaxoun Alpha Centauri 2 kai aplopoihsoun to prwto kai to kanoun gia paidia 5 xronwn opws to Civ3,ANTE GEIA.Gia na mhn pw pali ta peri 11/9, pou kopsan concepts apo to paixnidi oi apisteutoi.
Gia ta politeumata thelei skepsh na parei.Na doume ti tha poun kai oi alloi kai an den exoun tipota kalutero ta allazoume etsi.Oxlokratia ligo bary den akougetai?

	11-09-2002 18:10									#22
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i have a level ancient greek, so at least i understand half of what they where on about.
but it's difficult for me to read greek with the wrong alphabet.
i'm trying to learn some modern greek, too. i visited thessanoliki and athens last april. but i'm english and so naturally bad at languages.
to onoma mou eine emma! hihi
but i can acctually understand everything that was posted.
I'm interested: how are you going to get the greek alphabet into the game?

	12-09-2002 02:13									#23
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Ancient Greek is difficult for many Greeks as it is much more complicated than modern.But more or less the words are the same.
It is quite an accomplishment not to be Greek and learn Ancient Greek.In fact,I heard there was this international competition about ancient greek.The winner was not greek at all!Brilliant person, I 'd say.

A teacher told me once that non-greek people think the Greek language sounds nice,sort of musical.Is that true?How does the language sound to you Emma?

Were you in Thessaloniki on vacation or did it have with school or college?Btw,poswn xronwn eisai?

I don't think English people are bad at languages,just that they don't try because they don't have to.Look at what Tolkien did(and he learned Finnish(!) as well as greek,latin etc.).He even created new languages.

About the greek font:I have found a font where english characters are replaced with greek ones and so the game doesn't produce hieroglyphics when typing greek letters.So, I don't have to use any greek characters in script.txt.For example,in script.txt i write "Aqhna" and in the game you see Athens written in greek.You see, the letter q is replaced in the game with the charater "thita",th as in "THeater".And so on with letters that differ.A,b,k,l etc.are the same so there's no problem.

	18-09-2002 00:50									#24
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Signomi pou argisa na apantiso.

Gia to flood to kalitero pou vrika einai: "parapotamia livadia", mia kai ta flood plains eine panta dipla sta rivers.

	22-09-2002 23:03									#25
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Βλέπω ότι είμαστε πολλά Ελληνάκια, γεγονός που μου αρέσει πολύ! Ομως ρε παίδες Ελλήνων δεν κατάλαβα καλά....προσπαθείτε να μεταφράσετε το παιχνίδι στα Ελληνικά;

Οσο για τους Τούρκους συμφώνω με σας....το διάβασα και είχε πολύ ενδιαφέρον! Πολλά πράγματα δεν τα ήξερα! Είναι καλό να ακούγονται και οι δύο πλευρές οσο και οι τελέιως άσχετοι!

Οι οθομανοί επρεπε να είναι scientific/militaristic.....αλλά ας μην ξεχνάμε ότι πρέπει να είμαστε και political correct έτσι;

Μερικές ιδέες για τις μεταφράσεις σας

Flood Plains: Παραποτάμιες Οχθες ή Πλημυρίζοντες Οχθες

Republic: Ρεπούμπλικα-ακούγετε αστείο αλλά έτσι λένε τα βιβλία

	23-09-2002 15:07									#26
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What about moving this to OT and renaming it Hellenithreadi?

	24-09-2002 11:14									#27
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Plhthainoume kai magalwnoume tha elega. Marko, olo kai perissoteroi ginwmaste edw mesa.


So long...

	25-09-2002 16:31									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Athitis Βλέπω ότι είμαστε πολλά Ελληνάκια, γεγονός που μου αρέσει πολύ! Ομως ρε παίδες Ελλήνων δεν κατάλαβα καλά....προσπαθείτε να μεταφράσετε το παιχνίδι στα Ελληνικά; Οσο για τους Τούρκους συμφώνω με σας....το διάβασα και είχε πολύ ενδιαφέρον! Πολλά πράγματα δεν τα ήξερα! Είναι καλό να ακούγονται και οι δύο πλευρές οσο και οι τελέιως άσχετοι! Οι οθομανοί επρεπε να είναι scientific/militaristic.....αλλά ας μην ξεχνάμε ότι πρέπει να είμαστε και political correct έτσι; Μερικές ιδέες για τις μεταφράσεις σας Flood Plains: Παραποτάμιες Οχθες ή Πλημυρίζοντες Οχθες Republic: Ρεπούμπλικα-ακούγετε αστείο αλλά έτσι λένε τα βιβλία

Giati scientific oi Tourkoi;. Ti anakalupsan;
Telos panton. Sumphono gia to flood plains, alloste plisiazei kai ston diko mou orismo.

Gia to Republic emmeno se auta pou eipe o Aristotelis.

	26-09-2002 00:57									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Palaiologos Giati scientific oi Tourkoi;. Ti anakalupsan; Telos panton. Sumphono gia to flood plains, alloste plisiazei kai ston diko mou orismo. Gia to Republic emmeno se auta pou eipe o Aristotelis.

Οι Τούρκοι βρίσκονταν για πολύ καιρό ένα βήμα μπροστά σε ότι αφορούσε την πυρίτιδα και η Κώνσταντινόυπολη έπεσε εξαιτίας των κανονιών τους. τα τουφέκια τους θέριζαν τους Βυζαντινούς...τουλάχιστον απο όσο ξέρω, that is!

Πώς τα πάτε με την μετάφραση; Υπάρχουν κάποιοι άλλοι όροι με τους οποίους να μπορούσαμε να σας βοηθήσουμε;

	26-09-2002 17:19									#30
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ΟΥ ΜΟΝΟΝ ΤΩΝ ΣΥΓΧΡΟΝΩΝ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΩΝ ΔΕΙ ΜΕΤΑΦΡΑΣΙΣ.
ΑΡΧΑΙΟΙ ΓΑΡ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ ΚΑΙ ΔΗ Η ΙΣΤΟΡΙΑ ΑΥΤΩΝ, ΤΩΝ ΠΑΙΓΝΙΩΝ ΤΟΥΤΩΝ ΕΜΠΝΕΥΣΙΣ.
ΗΝ ΗΡΟΔΟΤΟΣ ΥΠΟΛΟΓΙΣΤΗΝ ΕΣΧΕΝ, ΤΟΙΟΥΤΟ ΓΑΡ ΠΑΙΓΝΙΟΝ ΕΠΟΙΕΙ.

(ugly attempt at remembering Ancient Greek, from Hi-school)

αφού τελειώσουμε με τα νέα πρέπει να δούμε τί θα γίνει και με τα αρχαία.


Όσον αφορά τους Τούρκους, δεν τους μάθαμε σήμερα. Προσφέρομαι (επειδή μπορώ) να βοηθήσω στην προσπάθεια μετάφρασης του CIV.

Aπλά, πρίν από οτιδήποτε άλλο, πρέπει να τεθούν κάποιες κοινές ορολογίες, οι οποίες πρέπει και να τηρηθούν.

Εχω Cambridge Proficiency και παίζω CIV από τότε που βγήκε. Μόνο αν με σκοτώσετε, δεν θα βοηθήσω. Απλά, η Πατρίδα με απασχολεί αυτή τη στιγμή, αλλά σε λίγους μήνες που θα είμαι πολίτης, μπορώ να αφιερώσω κάποιες ώρες τη βδομάδα, για ένα τέτοιο λειτούργημα.

Φανταστείτε μόνο, πόσο πιο εύκολα θα γίνουν για τους ξένους τα Ελληνικά. Μόνο παίζοντας μαθαίνεις (πολλά πράγματα)