03-09-2002 08:23									#31
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quote: There's no better Rally Racer than Rallisport Challenge

V Rally 3 just came out, and it's way better.

quote: (you're missing out if you think they're only for PC -- coop Halo is awesome, but oh well)

Not if coop Halo is anything like coop Quake 2

I don't play shooters on consoles, cause I like to play them with my friends in a LAN, and only on person I know even has an Xbox (surprise, surprise).

quote: Halo, Rallisport Challenge, Project Gotham Racing (it's NOT a racer like GT3, and if you think it is you've never played it), MotoGP, JSRF, Morrowind, World Series Baseball?

I covered Halo and Rallisport Challenge. Project gotham I've seen, though I'm not too keen on non-realistic racers. MotoGP is good though. Haven't seen Morrowind in stores here (only for the PC), nor WS Baseball (which I wouldn't care about anyway).

And still, you name no fighters nor footy games. And as of yet, no racers (MotoGP excluded) either, that beat the PS2 titles.

Also, you not liking FFX makes you a minority, cause just about everyone likes it. Just look at the Gamespot ratings, it's doing way better than Morrowind.

	03-09-2002 08:34									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus V Rally 3 just came out, and it's way better.

In what ways? Do be detailed, because I know how much you've played Rallisport Challenge.

quote: Not if coop Halo is anything like coop Quake 2

Obviously never played the game.

quote: I don't play shooters on consoles, cause I like to play them with my friends in a LAN, and only on person I know even has an Xbox (surprise, surprise).

The Xbox can do LANs. Silly Marcus.

quote: And still, you name no fighters nor footy games. And as of yet, no racers (MotoGP excluded) either, that beat the PS2 titles.

Errm...
I don't know footy games because I live in North America. I've got Fifa 2002 and Fifa World Cup 2002 but apparently you euros think they're crap, and I love them. Pro Evo Soccer or whatever isn't sold here, I don't think. As for fighters, there's only one that I know of that's out for Xbox that's any good and that's DOA3. But it's mostly a tech demo.

There are some great Xbox fighters coming up from developers with very good pedigrees that includes Kakuto Chojin and Tao Feng. And unlike your games you listed, they actually appear new and innovative. I'm not a big fan of Tekken nor Virtua Fighter, I think those franchises need to die a horrible death because I'm just not interested in them anymore and they're just not innovating.

As for racing games, I thought you were kidding. It's generally accepted that the Xbox is home to tons of great racing games.
Rally: Rallisport Challenge (you say VRally is better but most reviews I've seen wouldn't agree? I'm waiting for your explanation)
Moto: MotoGP
Stylized racing: Project Gotham Racing
Simulation: SegaGT 2002

Not bad for an 8 month old console. Way more than the PS2 had at this point in its life anyway.

quote: Also, you not liking FFX makes you a minority, cause just about everyone likes it. Just look at the Gamespot ratings, it's doing way better than Morrowind.

Yeah, I know I'm in the minority. Then again, most people in the US like American cars and I think they're total crap. Meh, pop culture is so stupid.

	03-09-2002 08:40									#33
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I had a ps2, but it broke, and I didn't play it anymore anyway, so i don't really miss it. Any decent game for the ps2 is probably on another console anyway. I DO miss the DVD player part of it, but i can get another DVD player cheaply, no big deal. I also have a Gamecube, and i love it so far. Only 2 games so far (smash brothers, and mario sunshine) but some more great games are coming out soon. (Metroid anyone? Zelda? Hello? )

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quote: sans eternal darkness but one game isn't reason enough to purchase a whole console

Hmm, if the game is good enough, it is. I'd say the n64 was worth purchasing just for Goldeneye 007 alone. But a game like that is rare.

I havn't played eternal darkness though, it's good you say? I'll have to try it out. . . .

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quote: Originally posted by connorkimbro Hmm, if the game is good enough, it is. I'd say the n64 was worth purchasing just for Goldeneye 007 alone. But a game like that is rare.

Halo is better than Goldeneye.

	03-09-2002 09:40									#37
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Well then maybe i'll have to get an x-box too.

Those screenshots you posted sure are tempting.

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Let's try this again.

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	03-09-2002 09:41									#39
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I must say that from my weeks expereince with Halo and couple weeks expereince with golden eye that I agree (and both those gamse are up there with Halfllife for my favorite FPSs (halflife I have played for hours), all three I mainly like because of mulitplayer (halflife is the best vurrently) but I would say that Halo has the ebst single player).

The PS2 is good for squaresoft RPGs and racing games (And arcades), I likfe the FFs and the Japanese style RPGs that do not hold your hand as much (FF does becuase they try to make it as mass market as possible). I get everything on computer (and that is what I mostly use also).

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I'm really hoping the F-Zero screenshots released are just really early, and they're going to improve on them more for the final. It doesn't look much better than an N64 game right now.

Fortunately Quantum Redshift comes out in about a week, and that'll hold me in the Futuristic Highspeed Racing genre for a while.

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I liek realistic racing or old style racing

what is available for that (I use to love Grand Tourismo, 2 and 3 are good but I should look arround)

(while I play games like Resident Evil they are too far down my list currently that I cannot think og when I will get one)

Jon Miller

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the futuristic racing game on the Super was decent though

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i'm a pc gamer. the only reason i got a ps2 was for square, and wherever square goes, i'll follow. yep, i'm an addict of the ff games, the ct, games, etc.

i do kinda like the xbox, though, and the gc as well-- in an ideal situation, i'd have all three, simply because i like having all platforms (my pc has win98se, winxppro, linux, and i'm going to see if i can install darwin, which is what MacOSX is based on...)

but... if i were you, and looking at newer, non-series titles, the xbox would be my choice.

	03-09-2002 20:39									#44
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In what ways? Do be detailed, because I know how much you've played Rallisport Challenge.

quote: Obviously never played the game.

Nope. I don't play shooters on a console (unless you count MGS as a shooter)

quote: The Xbox can do LANs. Silly Marcus.

DUH

But what's the point if only one other person has an Xbox? For comparison, 3 have a GC, and 9 a PS2.

quote: Errm... I don't know footy games because I live in North America. I've got Fifa 2002 and Fifa World Cup 2002 but apparently you euros think they're crap, and I love them. Pro Evo Soccer or whatever isn't sold here, I don't think.

All FIFA football games suck, and I (sadly) played all of them. The Winning Eleven / International Superstar Soccer francise is 10 times better. And yes, all euros (or soccer fans for that matter) agree with me.

quote: As for fighters, there's only one that I know of that's out for Xbox that's any good and that's DOA3. But it's mostly a tech demo.

DOA3 sucks. and yeah, I played it too. It doesn't match up to Tekken or Virtua Fighter.

quote: There are some great Xbox fighters coming up from developers with very good pedigrees that includes Kakuto Chojin and Tao Feng. And unlike your games you listed, they actually appear new and innovative.

Again: they aren't out yet, and won't be here for some time (we euros are always left out, PES and GTC excluded)

quote: I'm not a big fan of Tekken nor Virtua Fighter, I think those franchises need to die a horrible death because I'm just not interested in them anymore and they're just not innovating.

Best fighters out there, can't beat that. And who cares about innovating? It's a fight game for christ's sake! All it needs to do, is to present a good gameplay.

quote: As for racing games, I thought you were kidding. It's generally accepted that the Xbox is home to tons of great racing games.

Hardly

quote: Rally: Rallisport Challenge (you say VRally is better but most reviews I've seen wouldn't agree? I'm waiting for your explanation)

see below

quote: Moto: MotoGP

I already conceded that one.

quote: Stylized racing: Project Gotham Racing

I don't play non-simulation racers.

quote: Simulation: SegaGT 2002

Not out yet.

quote: Yeah, I know I'm in the minority. Then again, most people in the US like American cars and I think they're total crap. Meh, pop culture is so stupid.

well, American cars are total crap and most in this world agree with you. So you're not a minority

But let's compare review ratings.

Gamespot.com:

PS2, Tekken Tag Tournament: 9.6 /10
PS2, Tekken 4: ?
PS2, Virtua Fighter 4: 9.3 /10
XBox, Dead or Alive 3: 7.9 /10

PS2, Gran Turismo 3: 9.4 /10
PS2, Gran Turismo Concept: ?
XBox, Sega GT: ?

PS2, V Rally 3: ?
XBox, Rallisport Challenge: 9.1 /10

PS2, Pro Evolution Soccer: ?
Xbox, FIFA 2002: ?
XBox, World Cup 2002: 8.0 /10

PS2, Final Fantasy X: 9.3 /10
XBox, Morrowind: 8.7 /10

Gamespot.nl:

PS2, Tekken Tag Tournament: ?
PS2, Tekken 4: ?
PS2, Virtua Fighter 4: 91 /100
XBox, Dead or Alive 3: 79 /100

PS2, Gran Turismo 3: 91 /100
PS2, Gran Turismo Concept: ?
XBox, Sega GT: ?

PS2, V Rally 3: ?
XBox, Rallisport Challenge: 87 /100

PS2, Pro Evolution Soccer: 88 /100
Xbox, FIFA 2002: ?
XBox, World Cup 2002: ?

PS2, Final Fantasy X: 92 /100
XBox, Morrowind: ?

Gamesdomain:

PS2, Tekken Tag Tournament: ?
PS2, Tekken 4: ?
PS2, Virtua Fighter 4: 4 /5
XBox, Dead or Alive 3: 4 /5

PS2, Gran Turismo 3: ?
PS2, Gran Turismo Concept: ?
XBox, Sega GT: ?

PS2, V Rally 3: 4 /5
XBox, Rallisport Challenge: 4 /5

PS2, Pro Evolution Soccer: ?
Xbox, FIFA 2002: ?
XBox, World Cup 2002: ?

PS2, Final Fantasy X: ?
XBox, Morrowind: 4.5 /5

Gamezone:

PS2, Tekken Tag Tournament: 8.8 /10
PS2, Tekken 4: ?
PS2, Virtua Fighter 4: 9.0 /10
XBox, Dead or Alive 3: 8.5 /10

PS2, Gran Turismo 3: 9.8 /10
PS2, Gran Turismo Concept: ?
XBox, Sega GT: ?

PS2, V Rally 3: ?
XBox, Rallisport Challenge: 9.1 /10

PS2, Pro Evolution Soccer: ?
Xbox, FIFA 2002: ?
XBox, World Cup 2002: 8.5 /10

PS2, Final Fantasy X: 9.5 /10
XBox, Morrowind: 9.2 /10

Game Revolution:

PS2, Tekken Tag Tournament: B
PS2, Tekken 4: ?
PS2, Virtua Fighter 4: A-
XBox, Dead or Alive 3: B

PS2, Gran Turismo 3: ?
PS2, Gran Turismo Concept: ?
XBox, Sega GT: ?

PS2, V Rally 3: ?
XBox, Rallisport Challenge: B+

PS2, Pro Evolution Soccer: ?
Xbox, FIFA 2002: ?
XBox, World Cup 2002: B

PS2, Final Fantasy X: A-
XBox, Morrowind: ?

Amazon.com:

PS2, Tekken Tag Tournament: 4 /5
PS2, Tekken 4: 4.5 /5
PS2, Virtua Fighter 4: 4 /5
XBox, Dead or Alive 3: 4 /5

PS2, Gran Turismo 3: 4.5 /5
PS2, Gran Turismo Concept: ?
XBox, Sega GT: ?

PS2, V Rally 3: 4.5 /5
XBox, Rallisport Challenge: 4.5 /5

PS2, Pro Evolution Soccer: ?
Xbox, FIFA 2002: ?
XBox, World Cup 2002: 4 /5

PS2, Final Fantasy X: 4.5 /5
XBox, Morrowind: 4 /5

Amazon.co.uk:

PS2, Tekken Tag Tournament: 4 /5
PS2, Tekken 4: 5 /5
PS2, Virtua Fighter 4: 4.5 /5
XBox, Dead or Alive 3: 4.5 /5

PS2, Gran Turismo 3: 4.5 /5
PS2, Gran Turismo Concept: 4 /5
XBox, Sega GT: ?

PS2, V Rally 3: 4 /5
XBox, Rallisport Challenge: 4.5 /5

PS2, Pro Evolution Soccer: 4 /5
Xbox, FIFA 2002: ?
XBox, World Cup 2002: 4 /5

PS2, Final Fantasy X: 4.5 /5
XBox, Morrowind: 4.5 /5

DutchGaming.net

PS2, Tekken Tag Tournament: 8.0 /10
PS2, Tekken 4: ?
PS2, Virtua Fighter 4: 9.0 /10
XBox, Dead or Alive 3: 9.0 /10

PS2, Gran Turismo 3: 9.7 /10
PS2, Gran Turismo Concept: 7.2 /10
XBox, Sega GT: ?

PS2, V Rally 3: ?
XBox, Rallisport Challenge: 8.4 /10

PS2, Pro Evolution Soccer: ?
Xbox, FIFA 2002: ?
XBox, World Cup 2002: ?

PS2, Final Fantasy X: 9.6
XBox, Morrowind: ?

Gamersnet.nl

PS2, Tekken Tag Tournament: ?
PS2, Tekken 4: ?
PS2, Virtua Fighter 4: 9.1
XBox, Dead or Alive 3: 8.6

PS2, Gran Turismo 3: ?
PS2, Gran Turismo Concept: ?
XBox, Sega GT: ?

PS2, V Rally 3: 8.3 /10
XBox, Rallisport Challenge: ?

PS2, Pro Evolution Soccer: ?
Xbox, FIFA 2002: ?
XBox, World Cup 2002: ?

PS2, Final Fantasy X: 9.0 /10
XBox, Morrowind: ?


Conclusion:

Fighting: obviously VF4, though T4 isn't out yet on console (here at least).
Racing: unknown. Not enough comparisons out yet since Sega GT hasn't been released yet.
Rally: inconclusive
Soccer: inconclusive (though ask anyone who played both the FIFA and ISS series which one they like best )
RPG: FFX

Not bad for an "ageing" console huh? Even with all the Xbox's supposed "power", it has a really tough time beating the older PS2 when it comes to quality games in the genres mentioned above.

but enough searching for now. your turn.

Additional note: Up and coming PS2 title: Pro Evolution Soccer 2!!! can't wait. The game's already out in Japan (as Winning Eleven 6), and will be realised here in November. It will be an expensive months for me, a vacation to the US, PES2, PTW and the LotR extended version!

	03-09-2002 20:53									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus Best fighters out there, can't beat that. And who cares about innovating? It's a fight game for christ's sake! All it needs to do, is to present a good gameplay.

Because I've been playing the same game since, oh I don't know, 1990? I'm getting a bit tired of it.

Most of the reviews you linked to are useless because the games you insist are so incredibly great have a ? instead of a review.

quote: PS2, Virtua Fighter 4: 4 /5 XBox, Dead or Alive 3: 4 /5

I thought VF4 was way way better?

quote: PS2, V Rally 3: 4 /5 XBox, Rallisport Challenge: 4 /5

Yeah, VRally 3 looks "much better" than Rallisport Challenge like you said.

quote: PS2, Pro Evolution Soccer: 4 /5 Xbox, FIFA 2002: ? XBox, World Cup 2002: 4 /5

I thought most Euros would agree with you that Fifa totally sucked compared to Pro Evo?

quote: PS2, Final Fantasy X: 4.5 /5 XBox, Morrowind: 4.5 /5

Seems about right.

quote: PS2, Tekken Tag Tournament: 8.0 /10 PS2, Tekken 4: ? PS2, Virtua Fighter 4: 9.0 /10 XBox, Dead or Alive 3: 9.0 /10

More reviews showing DOA3 is much better than you'd like to think.

quote: PS2, Gran Turismo 3: 9.7 /10 PS2, Gran Turismo Concept: 7.2 /10 XBox, Sega GT: ?

Anyone else see a trend here?

quote: Not bad for an "ageing" console huh?

Erm...actually I think it's pretty pathetic. Sony was the only next-gen console on the market for an entire year, which is older than the GCN or Xbox right now, and it still took a long time before some decent games came out. To add insult to injury, Sony's been the mass market whore now for years, no wonder it's got all of those mass market franchises.

quote: Even with all the Xbox's supposed "power", it has a really tough time beating the older PS2 when it comes to quality games in the genres mentioned above.

Maybe that's because the genres you mentioned above are the typical mass market type game fueled by bigname franchises that people like you gobble up? Games like that don't appear on newbie consoles like the Xbox. The thing's only 10 months old from a newcomer to the market and has a fraction of the marketshare of the PS2. If all you're into is the mass market gaming (what a way to fit in), then by all means get a PS2.

It doesn't change the fact that there are great games on the Xbox that there's no match for on the PS2, and all of the multiplatform games look and play better on the Xbox than PS2, and there's a ton more interesting games coming out soon that are interesting (to me at least) on the Xbox than PS2.

	03-09-2002 21:01									#46
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funny how you only pick out reviews that suit you.

I was trying to be objective by posting all ratings I could find, but since you started it:

PS2, Tekken Tag Tournament: 9.6 /10
PS2, Virtua Fighter 4: 9.3 /10
XBox, Dead or Alive 3: 7.9 /10

1-0 for the PS2

PS2, Final Fantasy X: 9.3 /10
XBox, Morrowind: 8.7 /10

2-0 for the PS2

PS2, Virtua Fighter 4: 91 /100
XBox, Dead or Alive 3: 79 /100

3-0 for the PS2

PS2, Tekken Tag Tournament: 8.8 /10
PS2, Virtua Fighter 4: 9.0 /10
XBox, Dead or Alive 3: 8.5 /10

4-0 for the PS2

PS2, Final Fantasy X: 9.5 /10
XBox, Morrowind: 9.2 /10

5-0 for the PS2

PS2, Virtua Fighter 4: A-
XBox, Dead or Alive 3: B

6-0 for the PS2

PS2, Tekken 4: 4.5 /5
XBox, Dead or Alive 3: 4 /5

7-0 for the PS2

PS2, Tekken 4: 5 /5
XBox, Dead or Alive 3: 4.5 /5

8-0 for the PS2

PS2, Virtua Fighter 4: 9.1
XBox, Dead or Alive 3: 8.6

9-0 for the PS2





cheap huh? It's exactly what you're doing, picking out review ratings that suit you. No you be a good boy, and do some searching of your own.

	03-09-2002 21:03									#47
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I realize some games get better reviews in different magazines, I was just pointing out not everyone agrees.

You can keep arguing that because a new console like the Xbox doesn't have the bigname franchises that Sony benefits from due to being in the business for years that it's somehow less capable.

The PS2 is great, it's just that the Xbox is better. If you truly can't live without your mass market Square/PES/VF games, then perhaps you should stick to the PS2 and keep quiet, but some of us are gamers that prefer to play something new every now and then. And then there's the technophile in me that simply laughs at the hardware behind the PS2, and the people who pay $199US for the hardware.

And actually as I was writing that post the mailman came and dropped off Super Mario Sunshine.

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Bastard!

	03-09-2002 21:09									#49
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of course they don't!

there isn't a single topic everyone agrees on, and certainly not something as subjective as taste in games.

I was merely pointing out that the XBox isn't superior to the PS2 in those mentioned genres.

And I do advice you to buy a ISS/W11 game. You'd be surprised

I've been playing (and buying) all the games of both the ISS and FIFA series (on the SNES, N64, PSX, PS2 and (until recently) the PC). And sadly, despite the flashy design and francises, the Konami boys win this one every time.

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quote: If you truly can't live without your mass market Square/PES/VF games, then perhaps you should stick to the PS2 and keep quiet, but some of us are gamers that prefer to play something new every now and then.

PES isn't mass market. The FIFA games you seem to love sell way better. Pop culture huh?

	03-09-2002 21:11									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus of course they don't! there isn't a single topic everyone agrees on, and certainly not something as subjective as taste in games. I was merely pointing out that the XBox isn't superior to the PS2 in those mentioned genres.

According to about half of the reviews anyway.
Another thing to keep in mind that games that get a high score on the PS2 simply get a lower score on the Xbox if it's a direct port. The Gamespot editors compare them to what the console is capable of when reviewing, so what's great on the PS2 ends up only to be "good' on the Xbox, and the scores reflect that.

Which is why it always bugs me when people compare scores between consoles, most publications score them relative to other games on that console and what that console is capable of only.

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sure lot of talk, little facts to back it up

btw, check the poly poll here. see what people like most popular

of course, you'll think of some defense here too

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I can!

*Raving lunatic*

Idiots, your all idiots!

	03-09-2002 22:21									#54
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I don't think anyone would disagree that the PS2 has the most triple AAA games of any of the three systems at present. And that is all that really matters, processing power, and numbers of polygons mean nothing if a game is bollocks.

With the killer year Nintendo's having though, I would expect that gap between Nintendo and Sony to greatly decrease.

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Final Fantasy X better than Morrowwind?

isn't the attraction of RPG's based on the fact you get to CHOOSE what to do?

and as stated before a 9/10 on a PS2 is a 7.5/10 (at most) on the XBOX, check out Turok for proof

	03-09-2002 23:27									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus sure lot of talk, little facts to back it up

You do realize we're talking about games, which are only based on opinion?

The only facts you can deal with are technical specs, where the PS2 is quite pathetic in comparison.

quote: btw, check the poly poll here. see what people like most popular

So you have just admitted that you're one of those people that think more popular == better. That's all I wanted out of you.

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quote: I don't think anyone would disagree that the PS2 has the most triple AAA games of any of the three systems at present. And that is all that really matters, processing power, and numbers of polygons mean nothing if a game is bollocks.

Asher, I rest my case here. Monkspider said it best.

And sure, in time the Xbox or GC may surpass the PS2 in this regards. Until that time, I'm not going to bother with buying a third console

quote: and as stated before a 9/10 on a PS2 is a 7.5/10 (at most) on the XBOX, check out Turok for proof

you do know that the FIFA games get a lower score on the PS2 than on the XBox? by your reasoning, the reviewers should have giving the same score to both games! yet they didn't. The two games are exactly the same on both consoles, only the PS2 version has lesser graphics. If reviewes didn't look at games on other consoles, they would have rated both games equally, would they not? It's obvious reviewers do look at games on other consoles for comparison (FIFA being the prime example). I rest my case.

quote: So you have just admitted that you're one of those people that think more popular == better. That's all I wanted out of you

Too easy fanboy.

more popular = better, in a lot of cases.

Why doesn't it apply to PES vs FIFA? Obviously PES is a superior game, but Konami didn't spend that much time on promoting it or getting licences. Hence, it isn't as popular as FIFA.

Of course, in the Xbox vs Sony case, this reasoning doesn't apply. MS is spending MORE money on marketing, than (probably) Sony and Nintendo combined! Yet still the Xbox isn't as popular as the other two consoles. Why? Cause the XBox simply isn't all that good!

quote: You do realize we're talking about games, which are only based on opinion? The only facts you can deal with are technical specs, where the PS2 is quite pathetic in comparison

Sales figures, of both games and consoles. Numbers of games around. Number of AAA games around. General popularity of games. Rating giving by respectable reviewers. And while the latter is an opinion, it is a profesional opinion and should be taking in consideration.

And of course, the only facts that are completely useless are the specs of the console. Sure, if I bought a 2.8 GHz Pentium 4 I'd have a better computer than I have now. No question about it. Yet, it won't make the games I play any better.

quote: The only facts you can deal with are technical specs, where the PS2 is quite pathetic in comparison

If so, the Xbox should blow the PS2 right out of the market, and the XBox games should be vastly superior to those of the PS2. Yet, I've given numerous examples that show the oposite.

I'm sadly disapointed in you Asher, and all the other MS fanboys. You're losing your touch it seems.

	04-09-2002 01:23									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus you do know that the FIFA games get a lower score on the PS2 than on the XBox? by your reasoning, the reviewers should have giving the same score to both games! yet they didn't. The two games are exactly the same on both consoles, only the PS2 version has lesser graphics. If reviewes didn't look at games on other consoles, they would have rated both games equally, would they not? It's obvious reviewers do look at games on other consoles for comparison (FIFA being the prime example). I rest my case.

Uhm, Saint Marcus, if the X-Box version had better graphics, than how is it the same as the PS2 version? If it was better why are you suprised if it was given a better review?

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MS fanboys are saying that the same game, will get a higher rating on a PS2 than a Xbox.

Thus, a lesser game will get a higher score on an XBox.

Yet, with FIFA, a game which is slightly less in graphics on the PS2 than the Xbox version. So why did the PS2's version get a score that much lower?

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SM, I'm sorry your post doesn't make sense.