04-09-2002 09:37									#1
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If indeed bush is considering taking action of Iraq. He has the support of most americans. 62% approve. Its sliding currently, but its unknown as to what "evidence" the administration is about to reveal to the public before the weekend. We will see.


American forces bomb Baghdad. Baghdad retaliates with Chemical weapons on..Israel. Israel has stated it WILL retaliate in case of such of attack (Nuclear). Saddam's ability to deliver such weapons are weaker. But with 4 years to build, no doubt he has missiles capable of reaching Israel.

Saddam will have nothing to lose. He will do it and not think twice.

World war III?

	04-09-2002 09:44									#2
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Yeah. If Bush and Saddam are stupid enough.

And seeing as though the sum of both their IQ's is likely less than 10. It is highly likely.


Anyway. I would conscientiously object if it comes to it!

	04-09-2002 09:46									#3
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ahh but Bush and Saddam aren't really in control of their nations now are they.

Will never happen.

	04-09-2002 09:48									#4
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Well are you on of those "Dont rock the mideast boat" guys grrr? Are you actually aware of the consequences of pulling back from our threats ?


Im shocked. Imagine in 10 years when he actually has rebuilt his missile regime.

As long as congress gets a DoW. I say we grease the bastard.

btw. Saddam has a higher IQ than bush. Ever seen Saddam get interviewed? Some of the 80's/pre gulf war interviews? Hes a smart dude

	04-09-2002 09:53									#5
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No. I am afraid that Saddam already has weapons of mass destruction. And friends with weapons of mass destruction, which will make a hell of a mess of US and it's allies (primarily Israel) 's terriotory.

	04-09-2002 09:56									#6
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Well the Israeli's are tough cookie's. They have defenses againsts scuds. And not our crappy patriots either. Im talking good stuff that blows the scud warhead and knocks it 50 miles into the air.

	04-09-2002 09:59									#7
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Yeah ... but who says that conventional warfare will be employed?

	04-09-2002 10:02									#8
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well I doubt Saddam is going to or has the time to give palestinians chemical weapons.

	04-09-2002 11:46									#9
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I'm not supporting Bush. Never will.....except during 911.

Osama can kiss my hairy beanbags.

	04-09-2002 12:01									#10
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Israeli nuclear retaliation is unlikely, even if attacked by chemical or biological weapons.

First, most of the chances are that the missiles will be shot down on their way to Israel.
Second, even if the missiles land, the warheads are still quite primitive. So, while damage will be caused and tens of people will die, it wont be on mass scale.

After this, Israel will most probably join the war but still use only conventional weapons. Maybe, some not too effective bio-chem weapons will be used.

	04-09-2002 12:16									#11
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I expect Israel to be pursuaded to stay out of it as in 1991.

And nuclear attack? would that be so wise so close to their land? I'm not sure of the local weather patterns and wind patterns, but I just wouldn't do it. You might piss off the russians

	04-09-2002 12:19									#12
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Even in the very unlikely and EXTREMELY unpleasant eventuality that somebody in the region (Israel, Iraq, let's throw in Pakistan to make it interesting) uses nukes, how does that get us to WWIII?

I don't think WWIII is even possible given current alliances, unless maybe China and the US ever decide to act out the "quality vs. quantity" competition on the big stage.

WW1 -- The great powers on each side are Euros, but they drag their colonies and eventually the US with them so that makes it a world war.

WW2 -- The great powers of each side are genuinely global, and there is fighting in many theatres all over the world.

How does anything like that happen today? There is no rogue great power (I'm going out on a limb here and assuming the free world isn't going to make an alliance against the US -- maybe in a century, not now). China doesn't appear to give a damn about anything this side of the wall. The "axis of evil" is capable of nasty terrorism but together has a military with the strength of the Georgia national guard.

There's enough hate for it, god knows, but I don't see anybody significant choosing up sides.

	04-09-2002 12:23									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I expect Israel to be pursuaded to stay out of it as in 1991.

Nope.

After the withdrawal from Lebanon and the Intifada Israel looks much less threatening and undefeatable.
I dont think we'll miss a chance for a succesfull war now.

	04-09-2002 12:49									#14
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I think America would be stupid enough to attack China if China decides to attack Taiwan.

	04-09-2002 13:34									#15
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Sadam will use his weapons ONE DAY in the future, if he has them. He will use them before he's death.

And he will die, pherhaps naturally in the end.

Pherhaps he does not have the weapons yet, than this is the right moment to take him out. He will have the weapons within a few years for sure.

	04-09-2002 22:57									#16
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OK. So lets see; USA and Britain attacks Iraq and it's not going too well.. Who, taking advantage of this situation,
can attack someone else? Imagine! I'd like to see your vision.

	04-09-2002 23:06									#17
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Israel will not go nuclear unless, by some miracle, Saddam has nukes and launches them against Israel. There WILL be a response from Israel, though, if attacked.

The biggest danger, as I see it, is that an attack against Iraq may lead to huge amounts of civil unrest in the ME. You could well see some revolutions/civil wars, none of which is going to make life any nicer for Israel or the US - or anyone else, for that matter.

	04-09-2002 23:12									#18
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quote: Originally posted by leftover_crack Well are you on of those "Dont rock the mideast boat" guys grrr? Are you actually aware of the consequences of pulling back from our threats ?

i say we "rock the middle east" with tomahawks until the rocks become gravel. Ousting saddam is a good idea in my opinion.

quote: btw. Saddam has a higher IQ than bush. Ever seen Saddam get interviewed? Some of the 80's/pre gulf war interviews? Hes a smart dude

yes, i saw him, and yea he appears intelligent. wouldn't you agree that hitler was intelligent? bin laden seems intelligent as well.

thats the thing with being evil. if you're a good person, you could be as dumb as a brick and get noticed. How smart was Mother Teresa? When you're evil though, if you're a moron you don't get noticed at all. Intelligent Evil people gain ranks until they reach NOTORIOUSLY EVIL. Saddam's about there now.

I aspire to be notoriously evil someday... someday...

	04-09-2002 23:17									#19
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Hmm...I can set up a big war in Asia (China/Pakistan/N. Korea vs. US/India/Japan/Taiwan/Phillipines?/S. Korea) but I'm having trouble tying the Middle East into it.

	04-09-2002 23:19									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Grrr I think America would be stupid enough to attack China if China decides to attack Taiwan.

Heh. Yeah, who cares about Taiwan? I mean, they're just a sh*tty little wanna be democracy now, complete with fist-fighting legislators.

But, hey, China claims Taiwan for itself and, God forbid, the world actually do something should China use military force on Taiwan. We wouldn't want to upset that potential powerhouse market of 1.1 billion people, would we? So sorry, Taiwan, but in the greater scheme of things (and in realpolitik), you're just the fly in the soup.

Gatekeeper

	04-09-2002 23:31									#21
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The world ends in 2012, so there is still a long time for the war to develop. Iraq is just the first step...

	04-09-2002 23:31									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson OK. So lets see; USA and Britain attacks Iraq and it's not going too well.. Who, taking advantage of this situation, can attack someone else? Imagine! I'd like to see your vision.

And Britain would join in? At last count most people here were pretty hostile to joining a war against Iraq...

	04-09-2002 23:32									#23
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quote: And Britain would join in? At last count most people here were pretty hostile to joining a war against Iraq...

That's not what today's New York Times says...

	04-09-2002 23:34									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Gatekeeper Heh. Yeah, who cares about Taiwan? I mean, they're just a sh*tty little wanna be democracy now, complete with fist-fighting legislators.

There are lots of computer related industries in Taiwan. If Taiwan is attacked, we won't have VIA chipsets and MSI mobos anymore. Prices will rise and computers won't develop anymore, and so China will be as advanced with computers as western countries are now.

Or something...

	04-09-2002 23:34									#25
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Bush needs some pretty damn convincing evidence to attack Iraq. Whenever he chooses to show, then we will see how the American people respond. Now it's all just speculation.

	04-09-2002 23:36									#26
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quote: Hmm...I can set up a big war in Asia (China/Pakistan/N. Korea vs. US/India/Japan/Taiwan/Phillipines?/S. Korea) but I'm having trouble tying the Middle East into it.

i'm having a hard time tying China+Pakistan, and Pakistan+NKorea... and also a hard time tying in US+India, India+Taiwan, Taiwan+Philippines, SKorea+Philippines, Japan+Philippines...

	04-09-2002 23:37									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Clear Skies And Britain would join in? At last count most people here were pretty hostile to joining a war against Iraq...

Most polls show ambivalence or neutrality, with a tendency for, if Blair actually provides the dossier he promised.

	04-09-2002 23:37									#28
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quote: Heh. Yeah, who cares about Taiwan? I mean, they're just a sh*tty little wanna be democracy now, complete with fist-fighting legislators.

Taiwan has this nasty little habit of being a democracy, something which still ties it in very closely with skorea and japan...

	04-09-2002 23:38									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Grrr I think America would be stupid enough to attack China if China decides to attack Taiwan.

I think other nations would be stupid to try to appease the Chinese militarists. You have to prevent dominant nations from militarially annexing weaker ones. I'm all for the big guys kicking the pip squeeks around but not annexing...

	04-09-2002 23:38									#30
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Well, will they call it Dubya Dubya III?