04-09-2002 23:41									#1
	It's official- Bush asks congress for declaration of war on Iraq Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Sorry if this has already been posted, I tried to scour the boards as best I can for a similar topic. But in any event, Bush has now asked congress for approval to remove Sadaam Huseein from Iraq. I wonder what will happen if he doesn't get approval? Will congress even have the courage to try to defy Bush?
http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS...iraq/index.html
So it begins....

	04-09-2002 23:44									#2
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We're actually going to declare war this time? Shocking. Good to see Bush follow the Constitution in this matter though.

	04-09-2002 23:45									#3
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I'm surprised CNN hasn't got this as breaking news.

	04-09-2002 23:45									#4
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BTW, he hasn't really asked yet. He just said he would do so at the appropiate time.

	04-09-2002 23:47									#5
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Nah, I think he'll get approval. At least something interesting from tv to watch.

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It's on CNN now.

	04-09-2002 23:47									#7
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Any speculation on the chances of congress actually opposing this?

	04-09-2002 23:49									#8
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Jaakko:

Not in the US it isn't. You watching CNN International, or the domestic version?

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	04-09-2002 23:50									#9
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well, at least he's starting to listen to common sense...

now, all he has to do is convince the public, and convince the allies.

that's one of the reasons why vietnam was so divisive-- the people who went didn't know why, nor did the people who stayed behind.

bush is finally starting to take that to heart.

	04-09-2002 23:56									#10
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I don't know what Bush is going to say to justify a war, but let me tell you that I have had nightmares about this guy, Saddam, ever since Rumsfeld told us how a small jar of anthrax could kill thousands and effectively disrupt and an entire American city for years. Such jars of anthrax can easily be hidden from weapons inspectors.

Saddam could really cause major damage to us, England and Israel.

	05-09-2002 00:05									#11
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The US edition's front page links to the article in Monkspider's post Gatekeeper.

	05-09-2002 00:08									#12
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He's not asking for a DoW. He's asking for something like the Gulf of Tonkin resolution or the Gulf War congressional thumbs up. Neither one is a DoW as defined by the constitution.

	05-09-2002 00:10									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Neither one is a DoW as defined by the constitution.

Where does the Constitution define a DoW?

	05-09-2002 00:11									#14
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider Sorry if this has already been posted, I tried to scour the boards as best I can for a similar topic. But in any event, Bush has now asked congress for approval to remove Sadaam Huseein from Iraq. I wonder what will happen if he doesn't get approval? Will congress even have the courage to try to defy Bush? http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS...iraq/index.html So it begins....

Rhetorical question. Congress will approve.

	05-09-2002 00:13									#15
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Yes congress will approve. But it will be more important as to how the American people respond. If the majority of people don't approve, I think Bush will have to think twice in an election year.

	05-09-2002 00:13									#16
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well, those domestic attacks that we had earlier in the year...? not from saddam.

saddam is not our only threat. i just want to know why he's now our first concern.

	05-09-2002 00:18									#17
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Merely next in line. No real surprise. Bush has named Iraq from jump.

	05-09-2002 00:29									#18
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This would have cost him my vote, if I wasn't already dead set on voting against him.

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Finally that bastard Saddam that so many Eurocoms support is going to be eliminated.

You americans probably want some action taken against Iraq I think...

	05-09-2002 00:30									#20
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I would have thought that you would have argued the approval from Congress was a necessity. Why the thumbs down on a promise to ask for that approval?

	05-09-2002 00:31									#21
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It's a thumbs down to the whole concept of military action against Iraq, period.

And Congressional approval is not all that is required - Congress must actually DECLARE WAR before we can attack anyone.

	05-09-2002 00:33									#22
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DF, so you want Saddam to launch a nuclear weapon at some populated city... and then you come to your senses? Your views suck. I am sorry to say that.

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Congress doesn't seem interested in making formal declarations anymore. Beats me as to the reason why.

	05-09-2002 00:35									#24
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quote: And Congressional approval is not all that is required - Congress must actually DECLARE WAR before we can attack anyone.

well, actually, no.

we didn't declare war in panama when we ousted noriega, iirc...

	05-09-2002 00:37									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed well, actually, no.

David isn't talking about reality. He's only talking about the legality of making war upon another nation, etc. with/without a Congressional DoW.

	05-09-2002 00:38									#26
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quote: DF, so you want Saddam to launch a nuclear weapon at some populated city... and then you come to your senses? Your views suck. I am sorry to say that.

Saddam isn't a threat to get ICBMs anytime in any of our lifetimes.

DD,

quote: Congress doesn't seem interested in making formal declarations anymore. Beats me as to the reason why.

And hence all of the military actions we've fought without a declaration of war were illegal.

Q,

quote: we didn't declare war in panama when we ousted noriega, iirc...

No, but that was an illegal use of military force.

	05-09-2002 00:40									#27
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Congress doesn't seem interested in making formal declarations anymore. Beats me as to the reason why.

To cover their asses if everything goes FUBAR. They can blame it on the President if a "police action" or whatever they'll define it as this time around if we lose or if many American soldiers are killed.

As for the seeking Congressional approval thing, I'm sure it's a backdoor to make sure that there will be money available beyond, IIRC, the 60 days Bush needs to declare war if he were to order airstrikes against Iraq.

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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Saddam isn't a threat to get ICBMs anytime in any of our lifetimes.

Uhh don't misstate what I was saying... and Saddam probably won't be around next year. But if he was, he could launch chemcial or biological weapons killing thousands.

	05-09-2002 00:40									#29
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Any idea on why Congress doesn't want to issue formal declarations anymore?

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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Where does the Constitution define a DoW?

The constituion do not in any way define a DOW or describe its form. A DOW is what ever congress decides it is.