06-09-2002 14:17									#61
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I agree with you. It might be a bit impossible to make them realize it was not Israel . And I think they use everything they can to keep people against Israel and not make friends with them. Which is sad..

	06-09-2002 14:22									#62
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So I must take some words back.. My point was going to the wrong way. For the arabs it would be easy to show 'evidence' and motivation that Israel did it. Then you'd have to think they're really evil bastards, but that's what they think anyway.. So you must admit that it would be easy for them to blame Israel?
So there should be lots of evidence shown to the public, if it's 100% waterproof. Because they have seen 'evidence' themselves.. We've seen that tape.. Agh I can't explain this. But point being if I was arab leader, I could show 'evidence' to the people and make them believe it was Israel.

	06-09-2002 14:23									#63
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And you can't take that on me, I bought OBL-toiletpaper from NY and wiped my ass several times with it .

	06-09-2002 14:24									#64
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Anyone can show anyone anything, if you have the resources.

	06-09-2002 14:29									#65
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So at the end it becomes a matter of faith?

	06-09-2002 14:32									#66
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Faith, your eyes, and your trust.

	06-09-2002 14:34									#67
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pretty much so.. this is becoming philosofical and threadjacking. I can't even remember if I had a point in the first place, except that I don't believe Israel was behind it. Why did I even bring OBL to this? Heaven knows.

	06-09-2002 14:36									#68
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Well, we've survived. That must be something.

	06-09-2002 14:39									#69
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Yep .

	06-09-2002 16:43									#70
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Firstly, to the "why is no one in Islamic states clearing up this myth" type questions...Al-Jazeera (the TV station) has videoed confessions from two of Osama's sidekicks...so they are clearing this up. As to whether anyone bothers to believe them...people in the US (and elsewhere) still think we didn't go to the moon.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast...laim/index.html

	06-09-2002 18:03									#71
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the sad thing is i remember reading articles about some of the schools the muslim fanatics run...

some of the students thought japan did it... apparently, you can't trust a stinkin' jap even after you nuke them a few times.

	06-09-2002 18:32									#72
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I can't beleive that Israel is behind the attacks. What I can beleive is that they withheld information from the US that may have helped prevent the tragedy. Not that I think that's what happened, I have no proof and no one here on this board has any real proof of hardly anything. All we have to go on is what the media tells us. Can they tell us everything? No. Will they tell us everything? No. At some point, we have to decide whether we trust what our government is telling us. Do I? I'm not sure. Is Iraq a threat? I have no idea. And neither do any of you. Truly, the only people who know are Saddam Hussein and his close advisors.

Do I think that Muslim extremists want to see the world subjugated under some kind of Taliban-like regime? No. They've only ever lashed out at nations involved in their affairs which would be Europe and the US. They use their religion as a recruiting tool. "Fight the infidel and join with us. Praise be to Allah." The fact that the population is poor and uneducated makes it easy to lure people away by blaming a scapegoat, the US. I'm not talking about people who wave signs or protest US involvement, I'm talking about the people who would get on a passenger plane and ram into a very large building full of people.

	06-09-2002 19:48									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Adam Smith If Isreal did not exist would the average Arab's situation be any better? Nope. I think this is yet another way to divert attention from the continued failure of Arab leadership.

Now Adam Smith, how can you say something as stupid as this? We all KNOW the world is run by Jewish Plutocrats, especially the bankers, who manipulated everything. Poverty and oppression worldwide are caused by the Jews!

	06-09-2002 19:53									#74
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...and the Illuminati...and the Gnomes of Zurich...

	06-09-2002 20:08									#75
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If Saddam did not exist would the average American's situation be any better?

I think this is yet another way to divert attention from the continued tanking of 401(k)s.

	06-09-2002 20:10									#76
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quote: Originally posted by dunk I can't beleive that Israel is behind the attacks. What I can beleive is that they withheld information from the US that may have helped prevent the tragedy. Not that I think that's what happened, I have no proof and no one here on this board has any real proof of hardly anything. All we have to go on is what the media tells us. Can they tell us everything? No. Will they tell us everything? No. At some point, we have to decide whether we trust what our government is telling us. Do I? I'm not sure. Is Iraq a threat? I have no idea. And neither do any of you. Truly, the only people who know are Saddam Hussein and his close advisors. Do I think that Muslim extremists want to see the world subjugated under some kind of Taliban-like regime? No. They've only ever lashed out at nations involved in their affairs which would be Europe and the US. They use their religion as a recruiting tool. "Fight the infidel and join with us. Praise be to Allah." The fact that the population is poor and uneducated makes it easy to lure people away by blaming a scapegoat, the US. I'm not talking about people who wave signs or protest US involvement, I'm talking about the people who would get on a passenger plane and ram into a very large building full of people.

What I see happening is Wahhabism is at war worldwide with traditional Sunni and Shi'ite Islam. In addition, Islam seems to have a concept of "Muslim" land, the holiest of which is Saudi Arabia. OBL wants us out of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq. Most muslims want Israel out of Palestine.

	06-09-2002 20:17									#77
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I would have to agree with Ned 100%.

	06-09-2002 22:19									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Ned What I see happening is Wahhabism is at war worldwide with traditional Sunni and Shi'ite Islam. In addition, Islam seems to have a concept of "Muslim" land, the holiest of which is Saudi Arabia. OBL wants us out of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq. Most muslims want Israel out of Palestine.

I agree too.

I may be just talking out of my a$$, but I think a great deal of Muslims (not just OBL) want us out of Saudi Arabia as well. The government probably tells the people that the US is there for all of their benefit which they probably see squat. And that makes it easy for OBL and similar people to rally support against the US.

What is Wahhabism? I've never heard that term before.

	06-09-2002 22:40									#79
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It's a sect of Islam which is primarily based in Saudi Arabia. It started there, so far as I know, and the leadership is all Wahhabi. Osama bin Laden is Wahhabi as well.

-Arrian

	06-09-2002 23:07									#80
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I have proof that 57 members of Congress are agents of al-Qaeda!

	06-09-2002 23:14									#81
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Definitely a catchy lead-in, Che. I admit curiousity as to where you're going with that.

-Arrian

	06-09-2002 23:19									#82
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Well, we know the Senate Judiciary committee members are all terrorists, because Ashcroft told them so to their faces.

	06-09-2002 23:20									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Definitely a catchy lead-in, Che. I admit curiousity as to where you're going with that.

Ever see The Manchurian Candidate?