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Originally posted by Ethelred
Vice President Truman didn't have a clue 'till after Roosevelt died.
The again a lot of the claims for a cospiracy in the assasination of President Kennedy are false. For one is ALWAYS claimed the autopsy photos are a secrect and that no one has seen them.
I have seen them. On the net. If anyone really wants to see the inside of Jack Kennedy's skull I can supply a URL. The photos were released a long time ago but the conspricy theorists are never bothered by facts. |
Not to get in a huge Kennedy assassination debate, well maybe. I take it you believe the Warren report? Just one point I would like to discuss, the pristine bullet found conveniently on the stretcher next to the body. Wait, that is a lot like that terrorist passport that they found in the WTC rubble. They can't find the frigging black boxes from the planes, but they magically find the hi-jackers passport. If you buy that one, I've got a bridge for sale.
I don't know what the hell happened on 9/11, but I think we need to find out. I wouldn't want this to end up like the JFK files. How long are they locked up for, something like 70 years. They even extended the length of time a few years back. Why the secrecy?
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I'll have to admit to being a tad suspicious of the Kennedy killing.
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Ethelred
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Suspicious is reasonable. Thinking that a person must be daft to hold Oswald responsible is not. Take a look at the site Jimmy and you will find most if not all questions that you may have answered or at least addressed in reasonable manner.
I am reasonbly sure it was Lee Harvey Oswald that killed Kennedy. I am not sure he didn't have any help but he certainly didn't need any. That Kennedy had enemies is certain. That any of them had a thing to do with his death is speculative at best.
Sure would have been nice if in 1963 when I was watching the TV live Oswald had been able to continue on to where the Dallas police were taking him instead of being shot on national television. Its an interesting memory but I would have prefered a trial.
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MosesPresley
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Just because there are a lot of crackpot theories and deliberate misinformation, doesn't mean that something doesn't reek, in the JFK assassination. The left lost all of its leaders, JFK, RFK, MLK, and some might even include Malcolm X, in the 60's to assassins' bullets. You may want to believe coincidence, but it looks kinda funny from where I stand.
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I'm not going to pretend to be a Kennedy expert, but I will answer your photo.
As far your photo is concerned; what is that a picture of anyway? Is it the bottom of the bullet? That bullet in the above picture couldn't have possibly have struck bone and went through two bodies and possibly a car seat.
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Ethelred
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JFK - Assasinated by a US communist
RFK - Assasinated by an Arab
MLK - Assasinated by a Southern racist
I don't see much of a connection there. There were two attempts to kill President Ford and one on Reagan. Sheer luck they survived. No I don't think you have much showing some vast Right Wing Consipiracy to kill liberals. Especially since JFK wasn't a liberal and neither he nor his brother were members of some vague left.
Don't mix them up with Teddy.
The thing that reeks about JFK is that the assasin was murdered. Unless you are silly enough to believe an assasin when they claim to be innocent or a patsy. Sure would be nice to know why Ruby shot Oswald but he never said and he had plenty of time. I suspect even he didn't know. He had a very bad temper and had been hanging around the area for a while. He just may have worked himself into a rage. People do stupid things when they get angry enough.
People all over the country were in shock at the time. All you could see on TV was coverage of the assasination. Even the September 11 attack didn't completely take over TV all day for three days on every channel. Of course there were a lot less channels.
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Ethelred
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Originally posted by MosesPresley
I'm not going to pretend to be a Kennedy expert, but I will answer your photo.
As far your photo is concerned; what is that a picture of anyway? Is it the bottom of the bullet? That bullet in the above picture couldn't have possibly have struck bone and went through two bodies and possibly a car seat. |
I think its the bottom of the bullet but if you look closely at the other photo you will see the bullet is mishaped there as well. Its wider than it should be in places. Tests have been made with the same kind of bullet and dummy bodies. Similar results for the bullet were found. See that link for the single bullet theory above. Thats where the photos came from.
Just thought of another item about the bullet. Its a jacketed bullet. Much of what you see in the bottom of the bullet is lead forced out of the bullet's base. The same effect was seen in the test bullet but more of the lead in the actual bullet was left in Connally body than in the dummy. You can see those on this page:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bullet3.jpg
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Again, the only human mindset beating "Will to Power" is "Fear". 9/11 is a really shabby, awful, transparent-as-glass conspiracy job, but the way some people here try to hide their own fear and cling to the phony stability in their lives, so afraid to be without their precious lies for a second that they instantly ridicule and expel those who would oppose the lies, even when it obviously leads to their own doom...
...it's more transparent than air 
To futilely further my point, as well as provide cheap laughing stock, I post a compilation of some of the best, most convincing, most on-topic, most intelligent arguments used by the opposition to the original post:
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So if your opinions differ from left-wing nut jobs, you're brainwashed?
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You would be suprised how many british people are also selfish morons. |
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The number of stupid people in the world doesn't suprise me anymore. |
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You folks must have alot of faith to believe in that conspiracy crap that has as much holes as swiss cheese? |
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Like I said earlier, the number of stupid people in the world is hardly suprising. |
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(serouisly you should stop and take a look at what your writing. Your making an ass of yourself) |
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Everytime CNN plays that picture of the smoking towers my fist clenches and I wish Bush would Nuke everyone opposed to the War on Terror. |
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Translation: "Everyone who doesn't agree with my narrow, petty, little political point of view has been brainwashed. I am unable to come up with any real arguments to support my opinions therefor I shall resort to name calling and gigantic conspiracy theories because my fraggle little ego can not withstand the knowledge that I may not be the fountain of all wisdom."  |
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Does anyone else feel dumber for reading that article? |
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Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnn...
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Let's see if I get the jist of it: The evil Amercian President and CIA, lackeys of big oil, created a fake Islamic terrorist group, and decided to make some airliners disappear (or were they ever really there), using borrowed alien technology to make them invisible. The passengers on the airliners are now having their teeth examined by four foot tall gray creatures who weren't able to get it up for so long that they need our DNA to reproduce, but they can move through solid objects without being detectable. They did this, and secrectly snuck 120,000 lbs of av-gas into the two WTC buildings (those office workers never check what's in their desk drawers) so we could wipe out the financial center and many of the trading firms that big oil relies on, to have an excuse to invade one country who's government we didn't recognize, in order to put in a part of a pipeline that would pass through what, four or five countries, to take oil from a different country we weren't invading to a port facility in another country we weren't invading? And blowing up buildings in New York was supposed to help this process along how, exactly?
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The only thing conspiracy theorists have for a motive is... nothing. Just a phantom assembled from their own limited story-telling ability to rope in the gullible and technically ignorant. Their audience must have a convenient on-off switch for their cynicism - always apply extreme cynicism to any "official" description of events, yet get on your knees and open wide with total uncritical acceptance for any conspiracy theory description. If equal standards of cynicism are applied, the conspiracy theories will be seen for what they are - nothing more than internally inconsistent fantasy. |
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Clearly Michael has not been wearing his tinfoil hat. The Orbital Mind Control Lasers have him in their power. Not **** Chaney's OMCL, the other ones, the ones belonging to the Giant Orbiting Invisible Aardvark. |
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Anything but the Invisible Aardvark! |
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Ethelred
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It appears that des-esseintes does not believe in the Giant Invisible Orbiting Aarvark. This is good. The Aardvark does not wish to be known to the infidel. This means the Giant Invisible Orbiting Aardvark's Orbiting Minds Control Lasers did their job extremely well on him. He now thinks that there are conspiracies where there are none and fails to see the real ones.
It is good to know that the Europeans still have not discovered the truth about their world. They still do not understand that the 220 Volt electricty is being used to burn out their minds. Nor have they ever notice that 50 cycle AC power is the exact frequency needed to haze over their eyes when the Secret Masters walk among them. They haven't even noticed that the flicker of their 25 frame per second televisions are causing them to become the hopeless minions of the true masters of the world, The Pentium Group.
He won't even believe what I am writing here for him to read on this forum that is the thin end of the wedge of America's Pentium Group. We of the Pentium Group thank the Marks for their efforts in this matter. The Giant Invisible Orbiting Aardvark will reward them both in this world and the next. After all, who do you think kills the kittens when no buys from Apolyton.
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Ethelred
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LOL, you actually believe this crap ? |
An excelent response. You may even be a member of the Pentium Group in disguise but it is much more likely that you are simply yet another of our unknowing minions that never knew about Tinfoil Hats or perhaps forgot to wear one as the Orbital Mind Control Laser passed overhead.
Oh and don't believe that silly movie They Live. Special Glasses will not expose the Secret Masters. Those silly aliens the glasses reveal are under OUR control. Just remember not to run out of gum when the time comes. You don't want to have to kick ass when you should have been chewing gum. Gum after all protects the Illuminated Mind from the deliterious effects of flouridated water.
Fnord
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Ethelred
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Hey weird things happen in disasters.
Think about where the terrorist were and where the passport was found. The terrorists were in the front of the plane. Most of them anyway. Well one was flying the thing. If I remember right the passport was found outside the buildings. At least with one of the planes the nose came out the other side. The fuel was in the wings of course and that mostly stayed in the buildings so its possible that the cockpit wasn't burned and that some things that were within it came through the crash somewhat intact.
Now if the passport was found inside a building that is highly questionable since that is where things burned the most.
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des-esseintes
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Originally posted by Spiffor
no country could reasonably do such a big and spectacular sacrifice for such a small advantage (taking control in the Muslim world) |
Check this out
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/afghan.htm
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MichaeltheGreat
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
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Originally posted by des-esseintes
To futilely further my point, as well as provide cheap laughing stock, I post a compilation of some of the best, most convincing, most on-topic, most intelligent arguments used by the {support for} to the original post: |
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Again, the only human mindset beating "Will to Power" is "Fear". 9/11 is a really shabby, awful, transparent-as-glass conspiracy job, but the way some people here try to hide their own fear and cling to the phony stability in their lives, so afraid to be without their precious lies for a second that they instantly ridicule and expel those who would oppose the lies, even when it obviously leads to their own doom...
...it's more transparent than air |
Cut and paste is so much fun, isn't it? 
"transparent-as-glass" = it's so obvious, we don't need real evidence.
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CLOWNS WIT DA DOWNS 4 LIFE YO!
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Again, the only human mindset beating "Will to Power" is "Fear". 9/11 is a really shabby, awful, transparent-as-glass conspiracy job, but the way some people here try to hide their own fear and cling to the phony stability in their lives, so afraid to be without their precious lies for a second that they instantly ridicule and expel those who would oppose the lies, even when it obviously leads to their own doom...
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Actually, I think it's the opposite effect going on around here. Some people just need to believe they know something the other people don't, so they latch into ridiculous conspiracy theories. After all, not only can they feel superior to the 'sheeple' who still cling to foolish notions such as presidential administrations not gambling literally everything to build... well... a pipeline, they might even get those 'sheeple' to believe that the conspiracy-monger knows something no-one else does, too. It's the same with "Hey, Billy-Bob-Bubba, it's sho bin dry heah in North Cowtesticle lately. I've gots some evidence heah provin' it's them UN black hel-i-copters that bin doin' it" as it is with "Check this out, Moonbeam - I've got this radical article that blows away the preconceived notions about how the Shrub maladministration didn't have anything to do with 'The Terror Attack' (or "Artistic Opinion About Western Decadence and Imperialism and Greed" as I and my anarcho-syndicalist commune call it)."
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Ethelred
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Not all europeans are brainwashed, my trusty Communist Party Tinfoil Hat leaves me immune to the TGIOAīs mind control. |
Well that is the purpose of a tinfoil hat.
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How could I get away with publishing these truths from the frontline otherwise? Obviously TGIOA isnīt omnipotent... |
Well he is orbiting so he can only see about a third of the world at a time. Omnipotence is not needed anyway as long as few believe in the GIOA its powers will remain undiminished.
Just try and get people to believe you. Who will listen besides Rowdy Roddy Piper and a few others? Did anyone listen to Charly Sheen or Kevin Powel? Of course, not they just made a movies about the events and paid off the people with lead parts thus turning reality into fiction. Hollywood has been controlled for a long time. Even before they installed rendering farms with a thousand Pentium processors so they could more easily edit out all the Secret Leaders that would occasionly show up on street scenes.
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Capt Dizle
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This is all very interesting but you folks need to focus on the important stuff. ABC will soon report that Saddam uses Viagra and is tender and gentle during sex.
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Ethelred
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Originally posted by Stefu
"Check this out, Moonbeam - I've got this radical article that blows away the preconceived notions about how the Shrub maladministration didn't have anything to do with 'The Terror Attack' (or "Artistic Opinion About Western Decadence and Imperialism and Greed" as I and my anarcho-syndicalist commune call it)." |
Moonbeam is presently Mayor of Oakland California. He used to be Governor but after eight years in office he tried going for the Presidency. For his failure he was punished. For surely being Mayor Moonbeam of Oakland is akin to Hell on Earth. Not to be confused with Hell in Norway.
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Ethelred
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The Giant Invisible Orbiting Aardvark is not likely to be worried based on previous efforts to avoid its control. In the fifties lasers were not yet available for mind control so radio was beamed into people's heads. Sometimes this would be picked up audibly by fillings in people's teath so it was not ideal but that was all that the GIOA had to work with at the time. It must work through its human minions. Since aircraft were notorious for causing radio interference a simple idea for defense was tried by the few that feared the GIOA.
Fortunatly for the Pentium Group propeller beanies never caught on.
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Ethelred
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Originally posted by MosesPresley
This administration's callous exploitation of these atrocities is what I am upset about. Quite a few of the hijackers were Saudi Arabians, but we didn't bomb them. So I have to ask myself why we singled out Afghanistan? The answer that I come up with is always the same: oil. |
That is a very odd answer considering that Al Queda was training people in Afganistan and finding santuary there. Your thinking is the same as many used in the Viet Nam War to denigrate the US's motives there. There is still no oil comeing from Viet Nam. Just some exploration of possible off shore fields, something that could not be done in a war zone.
I think no one is going to insure a pipeline through Afgansitan in the near future. The place has been a war zone for decades.
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