23-04-2004 19:42									#1141
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Gakkk! Sorry for the loooooong delay.....posting shortly!

	23-04-2004 21:00									#1142
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The somnolent minions of Egypt, grown torpid, mayhap, under the burning benevolence of Ra's gaze, have at long last continued their varios journey's and adventures.

It seems the world is becoming a far more populous place, as Egyptians have encountered their Assyrian brethren twice in the vast western deserts, skirted several dangerous barbarian tribes, and broken bread with our Hittite comrades outside the walls of Pithom, and upon the banks of a great northern river.

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	25-04-2004 01:39									#1143
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absence
I will be out of the net next week, I will come on next Sunday night or on Monday night...

barbs
I think the white player has an advantage concerning barbs: he can watch their movement and can 'defend' his cities by letting them empty and paying the tribute.
So I propose a rule that asks the white player to try not to watch barb movement and forbids him to pay the tribute.

BTW, I can imagine a formidable way of cheating for Zedd: to reload starts of his turns so that barb hordes fall near enemies or other disagreable players
Zedd, I am sending you 50 gold for your good health.

	26-04-2004 17:09									#1144
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Rest assured there will be none of that.

I never re-load a game to change an outcome, to me the challenge of the game is in the events. (Such as life, and we can't re-load that either. )

And I will stress the independence and strength of the hatta people, We would rather fight to the last man than walk away from our treasured homes, and would pay no ransom save the blood of our attackers.

	26-04-2004 20:18									#1145
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quote: Originally posted by SlowThinker barbs I think the white player has an advantage concerning barbs: he can watch their movement and can 'defend' his cities by letting them empty and paying the tribute. So I propose a rule that asks the white player to try not to watch barb movement and forbids him to pay the tribute. BTW, I can imagine a formidable way of cheating for Zedd: to reload starts of his turns so that barb hordes fall near enemies or other disagreable players Zedd, I am sending you 50 gold for your good health.

are you not becoming a bit absessed with the cheating possibilities ST?

BTW, I'm quite sure if you leave your cities undefended (does that sounds familiar?) and leave enough gold in your treasury, your AI could as well 'pay off' the barbs when they roam the Babylonian lands in between the Minoan and Hittite turns .

and like Zedd has said: reloading is not allowed in any case,so your point is moot.

	27-04-2004 03:43									#1146
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Sadly, I don't believe Barbarians are going to become an issue. By now we definitely should have seen a horde or two. But should they arise, the bad news is that they'll undoubtedly impact only the white player. Just guessing here, but since Barb activity occurs prior to the white player's turn, and since horde locations generally target the human player, and since when the Barbs move the Hittites ARE the human player........

Hmmm, maybe that's the historical explanation for the early extermination of the Hittite Empire?

	27-04-2004 14:48									#1147
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A group of Persian skirmishers drank too much in a small village north of Godin. After they refused to leave, the villagers decided to throw them out at any cost. The people of Godin fear that the villagers may march against their city sooner or later.

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	01-05-2004 21:07									#1148
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Greece overdue.

	01-05-2004 21:37									#1149
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Did the "Control N" thing for the Greeks.
I have also sent a message of reminder to kengel, hopefully he can play his turn normally without needing this save to be used.

Sidenote: I notice that La Fayette is next, and have not seen any sign of him in several weeks (which is unlike La Fayette) anyone with any idea if he is away or otherwise incapacitated?

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	03-05-2004 23:26									#1150
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Thanks, Sparrowhawk
Sorry, guys, I was away for some days. You need to be well prepared to celebrate the 1st of may here
Back now & able to play my turn tonight, but if La Fayette is ready more early: Go ahead please!

	04-05-2004 03:57									#1151
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Just in time
No big news on greek territory...
Ctrl-N alone would not have thrown back the folk of the wine drinker

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	07-05-2004 09:20									#1152
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Seems I am doing this a lot lately, but it also seems that La Fayette has gone missing from Apolyton for at least the last couple weeks (which is unlike him).

Here is the minoan save (with Control N used), hopefully La Fayette returns before Zedd can play, but I have posted this as the 72 hours is up (I think )

Note: I will also send a PM to La Fayette in hopes that he sees this before Zedd

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	07-05-2004 09:29									#1153
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Thanks




since the 3-day pace proves to be impossible to maintain, why don't we forget about it?

	07-05-2004 10:14									#1154
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We do need some kind of deadline, otherwise the game will simply fade away (the fate of many PBEMs). 3 days works for most people most of the time, and in practice - even after Sparrowhawk posts the control-n save - the next person usually waits a day or so out of courtesy. So I recommend we retain the "official" limit, even if it isn't always adhered to in practice.

	07-05-2004 10:28									#1155
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I agree with Kull.

	09-05-2004 00:22									#1156
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I contacted La Fayette, he had problems with the internet connection and should be OK on Monday.

	10-05-2004 01:37									#1157
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quote: Originally posted by germanos are you not becoming a bit absessed with the cheating possibilities ST?

Oh no, but I must laugh again if I imagine those people in PBEM community that pretend there is no easy way of cheating.
I say again that PBEM must be based on confidence.
Also our game may (if barbs will really come, and I suppose they will) turn from 'the winner is the best liar' (as La Layette said) to 'the winner is the most lucky man'. But I don't complain, the game would be more funny.

quote: BTW, I'm quite sure if you leave your cities undefended (does that sounds familiar?) and leave enough gold in your treasury, your AI could as well 'pay off' the barbs when they roam the Babylonian lands in between the Minoan and Hittite turns

I'm quite sure it is not true in standard game - I tested it. Why do you think it would work in our scenario?

quote: Originally posted by Kull But should they arise, the bad news is that they'll undoubtedly impact only the white player. Just guessing here, but since Barb activity occurs prior to the white player's turn, and since horde locations generally target the human player

Where did you hear about it? I am not a barb expert, but I always thought barbs appear randomly, without any relation to human positions.

	10-05-2004 17:48									#1158
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I will wait untill tomorrow, If LaFayett hasn't beeen able to DL then I will play on.

AFAIK Barb appearances are random, and I have seen them appear near AI cities many times, but you only get the alert if they are appearing on a part of near one of your cities, so it may seem like they only appear near the human player.

I have gotten many messages that Barbarians have taken another civs city, but that's the only notice you ever really get until you have uncovered that area on the Map and can see the barb movements.

So, There may be a 30 strong horde outside Babylon or Athens and I probably wouldn't know about it.

	12-05-2004 17:43									#1159
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completely forgot about this yesterday, DL'd and will see if I can get my turn in today for a afternoon post, if not I will post tomorrow.

Sorry to keep you waiting.

	13-05-2004 17:33									#1160
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Guys I'm sorry, I', having problems with creating a civdip file and need to hold out for a bit longer.

	14-05-2004 01:34									#1161
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OK, here is the save.
Kengal and Stefan, would you check it out to make sure all your units and stuff are still correct? We had to make a civdip file from an earlier save and I don't want your turns messed up. If anything IS wrong I have the save I originally played without the civdip file.

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	14-05-2004 09:30									#1162
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quote: Originally posted by Zedd OK, here is the save. Kengal and Stefan, would you check it out to make sure all your units and stuff are still correct? We had to make a civdip file from an earlier save and I don't want your turns messed up. If anything IS wrong I have the save I originally played without the civdip file.

This sounds terribly fishy WTF is going on?

I for sure don't want MY turns messed up.

	14-05-2004 17:23									#1163
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Slow thinker and I arranged to swap techs, but for some reason the babalonians will not show up when I am using civdip, so he went back to the save from HIS turn to make a civdip file and sent it to me.

I don't know how civdip affects a sav file and wanted to make sure there were no ill effects. Yaroslav thiks it will be OK, but i felt you guys deserved a fair chance to make sure things are on the up and up.

	14-05-2004 22:10									#1164
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Oh, I see

And it's perfectly normal Babylon doesn't show up, since you haven't met them in-game. Babylon can see you, thanks to the Diplomatic System Wonder.

	15-05-2004 22:56									#1165
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In the desert I found a bonfire and 8 tiny men around it. They are very polite and reserved a place in the centre for me.

I will be out of net next week.

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	16-05-2004 03:28									#1166
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Harsu, son of Imsu, has ascended to the Throne. He has been inaugurated in the new temple in the city of Tell Hariri, dedicated to Nanna: deity of the moon, Guardian of time.
Significant reforms have taken place in the last decade under his reign, most notably city-names.
(I have found some maps of ancient Mesopotamia, and have been able to track down some cities. Also, there are plenty cities know from historical sources, but who have not yet been positively located: they make good candidates for cities that are now build in places where historically speaking there were none.

Changed are :
Tikrit --> Kurigalzu (Tikrit was just waaaaay too far of its location)
Tatvan --> Tushpa (ancient name of present-day Van)
Nimit Ishtar --> Nisibin (the latter has not been located yet, but it's bound to be in the region)
Tell Mardich --> Tell Hariri (I had mixed up Ebla and Mari)

An envoy, carrying a PM from Harhu, has been send to King Minos. He will travel via new lands in the west where Minoans roam, and that is known to Assyria as Iatana, or so the locals tell us.

A message to both Egypt and Hatta, whose subordinates have been pick-nicking along the Euphrates: the river is a frequently used way of travel in the Assyrian Empire, and it would be much appriciated if it could stay that way.

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	16-05-2004 21:18									#1167
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May the blessings of Ra shine down upon Harsu all the days of his long and glorious reign. Egypt extends unto him the same hand of friendship that greeted his father and his father before that.

Pharoah recognizes Assyria's claim to the Euphrates, and begs the indulgence of the new king for the band of Skirmishers that currently travels along it's course. These peaceful scouts seek passage into the northland and would appreciate guidance from the Assyrian monarch such that we may bypass thy cities and exit thy realm with all due speed.

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	17-05-2004 00:51									#1168
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quote: Originally posted by Kull May the blessings of Ra shine down upon Harsu all the days of his long and glorious reign. These peaceful scouts seek passage into the northland and would appreciate guidance from the Assyrian monarch such that we may bypass thy cities and exit thy realm with all due speed.

Harsu thanks Pharaoh for his kind words.
Thy Scouts will be given all hospitality, and we will provide them with guide that will bring them to Assyria's northern border as swift as a swallow flies.

	18-05-2004 14:56									#1169
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Persian troops accidentally entered Assyrian territory near Karkemish. On behalf of the warriors, we ask the Assyrian king for apologies. We will withdraw the troops whithin the next 100 years.

Another evil barbarian village was located near Godin.

The barbarian tribe near Behistun is now pacified. Three cheers!

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	18-05-2004 17:04									#1170
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Apologies to our assyrian friends, the scouts mission is to seek out other cities for trade/commerce and I fear they were a bit careless in choosing thier route. they will move from thier river camp soon.