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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:22
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Originally posted by DanS
"Former Soviet minister can't be uncle Sam's whore."
He has to be Russia's?  |
Of course. It's we who feed them, not you are. The one who is paying, is ordering the music. (Russian saying). He shouldn't be our whore. All we want is a bit more respect. This guy is constantly whined for our money, everyday he spends a lot of OUR money, and at the same moment he spit on us. Is it fair?
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Cutting off fruit imports would also rob Russia of a cheap and good source for fruits. |
We have a lot of other cheap sources of fruits, so there is no tragedy t all. Georgia it isn't a single source of fruits for us. And anyhow, we easily could survive without their fruits, they couldn't survive we will stop buying. They don't have other sources for their budget. Export of fruits to Russia is their only source of money. And they can't export their oranges to USA it's unprofitable for them.
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As for cutting off the oil/gas/electricity, do you have a figure for how much they use without compensation? |
I'm not an economist, and don't have exact figure, but I know that we selling those things to them at the half of the real price. But they often don’t pay even this reduced price. They owe a lot of $ to us.
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London Ontario
Jan 1970
time: 00:22
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I think I've been developing a distaste for Russians because here in Si Heung we are nearly overrun by bleached-blond Russian prostitutes from the Russian Far East area.
They also have a large number of pimps and 'legitimate businessmen' who hang out in the brothels around An-San.
It's biased me a bit.
Also: Last Friday night at a new nightclub me and the other teachers were exploring a Russian gentleman came up to me and spoke fair English.
He was very friendly, and I'm naturally fairly friendly. He was buying me drinks. I'm Canadian and it's against our law to pass by a free beer. We (Wade, Stacey, + Me) were sitting at a table with very loud music, this dude was next to me. He was asking how old we are. Let me explain that I look quite a bit younger than my age, I'm 23. Wade is 29 but looks older.
The guy in his broken English asks me if Wade is my 'gentleman'.
I put it down to language barrier.
Later and drunker into the night, the guy comes back over and he, um, asks me if I want to dance....and puts his hand on my inner thigh.
Well I got out of there real quick, and this was in a club filled with Russian whores and 'businessmen'.
Anyway I guess the whole 'all the Russians I've met are either whores, criminals, or gay propositioned me' thing has unfairly soured me on the Russian people for a while.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:22
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Also: Last Friday night at a new nightclub me and the other teachers were exploring a Russian gentleman came up to me and spoke fair English. |
The only reason why you have such "gentlemans" in Korea it's because they running from Russia. If this guy tried the same with me and my buddies in Siberian night club, he found big troubles for himself. Drunk Siberian male could be very agressive, especialy if he hear such offers from gay.
And don't tell me that Korea or Canda don't have their own whores.
Last edited by Serb on 17-09-2002 at 08:48
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:22
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If this guy tried the same with me and my buddies in Siberian night club, he found big troubles for himself. Drunk Siberian male could be very agressive, especialy if he hear such offers form gay. |
And you see beating up gay people as a good thing?
By the way, I'm interested if you can name one instance where you feel the Soviet Union or Czarist Russia was on the wrong side of a war.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:22
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Originally posted by David Floyd
And you see beating up gay people as a good thing?
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You aren't a gay David, aren't you?
Actually no. I never beat gay people by myself, because I never saw a real, alive gay. (Sure I saw a couple of suspicious guys, who talked like gays and were dressed like gay, wearing scarfs f.e.).
But, drunk fights for us it's like national sport. We like to kick someone ass/have our asses kicked by someone when we drunk. It's old Russian tradition Gay's offer for any normal man is consider as deadly insult, and of course a good reason for fight. I'm not anti-gay, as long as they drink in their gay-clubs and don't tuch straight mans I'm absolutely neutral towards them.
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By the way, I'm interested if you can name one instance where you feel the Soviet Union or Czarist Russia was on the wrong side of a war. |
 It's really hard task David,but I'll try...
Afghanistan, we shouldn't have been there and perhaps Winter war, nothing else comes to mind. Perhaps you will help me?
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
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Hmm, OK...
You certainly shouldn't have fought World War 1. The Winter War was also very wrong. Afghanistan, of course, as well as the invasions of Hungary and Czechoslovakia to put down the democratic revolutions.
Actually, the interesting thing is that in modern history, it's far easier to find wars the US shouldn't have been involved in than those Russia shouldn't have been involved in, in my opinion.
But I've never denied that, I was just curious if you were one who believed the saying "My country, right or wrong".
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:22
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You certainly shouldn't have fought World War 1. |
Perhaps, this war bring only misery to us and rise of bolshevicks. BUT we can't stay out of this war. Serbia was under attack. We must have been protect our Slavic brothers.
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The Winter War was also very wrong. Afghanistan, of course, as well as the invasions of Hungary and Czechoslovakia to put down the democratic revolutions. |
Of course, but hardly you could call a Hungary or Czechoslavakia a war. The millitarty intervention is more proper words, as for me. The same interventions that USA done in Latin America to put down socialistic revolutions
Oh, and I forget about Poland it was wrong too.
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Actually, the interesting thing is that in modern history, it's far easier to find wars the US shouldn't have been involved in than those Russia shouldn't have been involved in, in my opinion. |
Of course. You doing all wrong.
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But I've never denied that, I was just curious if you were one who believed the saying "My country, right or wrong". |
I wish I could, but unfortunately sometimes it means to deny truth. 
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of frogs
Jun 2000
time: 06:22
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Oh, some news I read; I already told |You about Russian persecution of catholic church - arresting and banning priests without any reason, mass hatred demonstrations, forbidding building churches and vandalism with use of guns also etc - it's all because of a specificacy of Russian church; who claims that Russians are geentically orthodox and no-one else can evangelise them. But while catholic church does what he can to make the orthodox sure that they are only for Germans and Poles, protestants do not, and they are converting the orthodox on mass scale. Though the hatred against the protestants isn't as common as against catholics, and the orthodox bishops and officials aren't attacking it with such force, protestants are having hard times in Russia too. Their missions is quite successfull, there are 5000 parishes in Russia now 9in comparison to 11000 Orthodox parishes)- not very numerable when it comes to the faithfull (72mln of Russians call themselves orthodox, only 3mln protestants), but very active and growing in power,
unlike the Orthodox church, to churches of which hardly anyone comes. Examples of attacking the protestant priests, and burning churches are common;
if someone goes to the police they answer "Oh, You are from those sects... You know, You are in Orthodox Russia". The authorities either pretend that the problem does not exist or they don't knbow about it, or are supporting the actions, like in Rostow region, when the army gave the orthodox priests a helicopter so that they could fly (with a blessing of their archbishop) over catholic churches and pray for banning catholics out of Russia.
They claim that catholics can open their churches only if the orthodox agree on that.
In the entrance to Constitution, as "traditional" religions
of the Russian Federation, Orthodox, Buddhists, Jews
and Muslims were included. I remember that the catholics and the protestants protested because it may be a first step to delegalising them, but I'm not quite sure if they succeeded. Today, a delegate to Duma Aleksandr Czujew
issued a proposition to say exactly which religions are traditional and which not, and to take away from the not-
traditional ones the ability to lead a charitiative missions,
to teach religions in schools, to have a free time in state tv, to have lower taxes, of which the "traditional" churches could take advantage. he proposes that a traditional church could only be one which had its
structures in tzarist Russia. Both protestants and catholics
had its structures (though Roman catholics were persecuted, and Greek-catholic church was destroyed)
as pre-revolution Russia owned catholic and protestant lands. I also know that there were catholic (Polish) churches in Petersburg, and a catholic council there (as tzars, as Chineese today, did not respect pope's souvereignity over catholics and tried to separate them from Rome). But it seems Czujew sees the case different...
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So that it wouldn't look like I'm bashing Russia only.
Lithuania introduced new lcitizenship laws. According to them, ex-citizens of Lithuania that left it for some reason,
can come back to it and regain Lithuanian citizenship
only if their ancestors were Lithuanians and they are declaring themselves as Lithuanians.
Except for that, the law says that all that resigned of Lithuanian citizenship before or after the war,
can regain it, "unless they aren't repatriants",
which means that if they haven't moved to "the land of their ancestors". This law is pointed mostly against Poles and Jews, which were big minority on current territory of
Lithuania before ww2; if after the war they were banned
or fled to Israel or Poland, they can't come back.
But this law is pointed out against all national minorities,
including Russians, which are now (before Poles) the biggest national minority in Lithuania.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
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WTF? Are you trying to say that we are responsible for start of WW1? |
Well, Russia pretty much kicked off the series of large mobilizations, and only Russia could have prevented WW1 by urging Serbia to work with Austria-Hungary.
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16-09-2002 14:13
By robber, rape and killing your Russian Slavic Brother? Nice, really nice way to help.
My condolences for his students.
You are hopeless diplomats
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