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Sep 2000
time: 06:22
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In fact I don't know enough to pick one. So, let's try to put the blame on the US.
... let's be creative here... (smoke, smoke...)
first try (easy): the jewish-masonic plot.
Always very popular, so I think it's possible to get something here.
Let me think ...
So, WW1, was in fact a jewish-masonic plot in order to kill as many good white christians as possible. The result of WW1 was that many europeans died and US only came at the end to collect the pieces.
... I think I get something here. Let's continue...
It is well know that the US is a masonic creation, so it is logic to think that the whole plot for Europe's destruction was remotely controled from Washington.
So yes, the blame is to be put on the jewish financers and the free masons in the US.
Ok, this one was easy... only a warm up... let's try it harder...
wait... thinking... colonialism... iirc my history lessons there was also something like UK, France, Russia, US had colonies or where big enough to assure raw material independency (autarcy), Germany not. One reason of WW1 was also that big empire autarcy philosophy...
So let's try a colonialist explanation...
So, UK is evil, because it had taken the best places (costals)...
Geez, how will I get to the US here... hard, hard... let's continue...
OK, US was the biggest UK colony, but was now independent... with Germany they were the last to enter the race, they were thus concurrent... Would US not be independent, it would still be in the British empire and thus self-sufficient. Germany would had it easier to get colonies and the "drang nach osten" would have been lower.
So the blame is to the US who declared independency
Gees, that one was hard. Still looks too weak, but I feel it can be reworked to get something really psychedelic... give me more time (and mushrooms) and I'll find a good one.
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Andrew1999
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Events outside of Europe had almost no effect on starting WWI except by occasionaly raising tempers. But those colonies were just considered pieces on a board, to be arranged by conferences and treaties and the occasional military bluff. It was only territories in Europe that were really consiedered important enough to go to war over.
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Tau Ceti
Oct 2001
time: 05:22
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I blame the The Austrians for the war: They gave the serbs an incredibly unreasonable list of demands, and the sebs agreed to all but one. They invaded.
I blame the French for the european war: The russians mobilized for war. Germany warned them to stop, but Russia refused. France, rather than asking its ally to end the preparations for war, promptly did so as well. France constantly, and violently, sought to confront Germany since the franco-prussian war. For the ocnsequences, they have none to blame but themselves.
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Andrew1999
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Almost nobody thought a general war would be a real disaster. The French, the Germans, the Russians, everyone believed that "home before the leaves fall" crap. So the idea of a huge war was not that terrible to a lot of people. This led to a lot of irresponsibility among the leaders of Europe.
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Dr Strangelove
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Austria demanded that Serbia allow Austrian military police agents free reign to operate within Serbia even to the point of putting Serbian police under control of these agents. Suspect Serbian citizens were to be carted off across the border to Austria for trial without bothering with legal niceties. Austrian also demanded that it be given the right to censor Serbian press and schools. In effect Serbia would have surrendered its government to Austria for an indefinite period of time.
Serbia did offer to allow a neutral party in to observe the Serbian police investigation.
Austria subsequently occupied Serbia for 2 years during the war and never found concrete proof that the assassins were part of a larger plot. The bulk of the evidence was that the conspiracy consisted of less than a half dozen college kids acting on their own.
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Felch
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Sep 2001
time: 00:22
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quote:
Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Ah well this where all this Germany wasn't to blame crap falls apart whether you believe Fischer or not. Germany had signed a treaty guaranteeing Belgian neutrality, which they violated without a second thought. In fact their whole war plan revolved around doing so.
Its rather perverse to blame Grey for Germany's flagrant violation of a solemn treaty. It never entered Grey's mind that Germany would not honour its obligations on Belgium.
Meanwhile in Berlin, Bethman Hollweg called the Belgian treaty a "scrap of paper", which shows the mentality of the Kaiser's government. Not much different to Hitler and Ribbentrop when it came to honouring international agreements. And you're saying these gangsters were innocent of causing the war? LOL. |
The German war plan had to involve tearing into Belgium. The bulk of the Franco-German border is difficult hilly terrain. They had to invade Belgium out of military necessity. It wasn't a choice they made lightly, but considering how much easier and safer for their army, they felt compelled to take it.
They had offered Belgium neutrality if they allowed the Germans to pass through. Something America does quite often nowadays.
Nobody is saying Germany had no involvement in the start of the war. I included them, along with Austria-Hungary, Russia, and Serbia.
I highly doubt your implied premise that Germany was the sole responsible power in the cause of WWI can really be valid given the desires for war that existed in many of the other governments. Germany may have been the most influential in starting the war, but it was greeted happily by the other combatants.
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GeneralTacticus
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of Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2001
time: 15:22
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I think his alias was Apis.
EDIT: I think the Serbian Prime Minister was also opposed to him.
Last edited by GeneralTacticus on 15-09-2002 at 09:58
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GeneralTacticus
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of Melbourne, Australia
Dec 2001
time: 15:22
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Yeah, that's it... I was trying to remember his real name |
It was Colonel Dragutin Dimitrijevic, head of the Serbian military intelligence.
Edited to add quote.
Last edited by GeneralTacticus on 15-09-2002 at 10:29
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notyoueither
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of naught
Aug 2001
time: 22:22
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The mobilisations were the key, and the match.
The Austrians moved on Serbia. At that point the czar had a choice, mobilise or not. He mobilised.
Next the kaiser. There is no way the Germans could sit and do nothing as the Russians mobilised. They were in worse shape (or better). Their plans all hinged on a two front war with Russia and France. All their planning meant that if they mobilised they had to attack France and they had to do it through Belguim. They go.
Next the French. Well, obviously they did not have much choice, did they? The rest of the dominos fall from there.
It was the Romanov, Nicholas. He had a choice; the best choice, but he knew no better than all the rest what would happen.
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