09-05-2001 04:55									#1
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Apolyton Pack Challenge

Description

5-player PBEM game using the Apolyton Pack.

The players

Nuke Boy (nukeboy1960@aol.com)
PN (dsryalls@lineone.net)
Kralj Matjaz (stojan.kranjc@siol.net)
Dugrik (trubador@flash.net)
Gavrushka (enquiries@iemediation.co.uk)

Preferences

A: Game settings
(as in the single player mode)

1. Skill level
2. Barbarian threat
3. Map Size
4. Civilization
5. Leader name
6. Gender
7. World Shape
8. Bloodlust
9. Pollution

B: Other setting

1. Keygen's PBEM Rules (Rules for more efficient play)
2. 24-hour Rule (Each player must play within 24 hours)
3. Ratings (Each player may get rated if he wish. Ratings can be found on the top most topic of this forum)

C: Additional info

1. Your time region in GMT (e.g. GMT+02:00)
2. The highest level ever beaten the AI (For first time rated players)
3. Nationality (For first time rated players)
4. State (For first time rated players. US & Canada only.)

Waiting for your feedback .

	09-05-2001 05:16									#2
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Hey keygen, I would like to get in this game.

1)Diety
2)Most
3)Regular
4)Assyria
5)Sargon
6)male
7)Earth world
8)off
9)on
note- I would prefer a desert map where production is hard to come bye and on large island's with water separating us.

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1)7:15 (American-central time)
2)diety
3)German-American
4)Wisconsin


I will Mod, should no one else step forward.

One more thing if we use APQSP, wont that interfer with my LAN/ISP games?

btw I think we all need to give Keygen money or somthing... he has regenerated alot interest in PBEM. Many thanks to you Keygen


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	09-05-2001 06:02									#3
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Preferences

A: Game settings

1. Skill level: Emporer
2. Barbarian threat: Restless Tribes
3. Map Size: Regular
4. Civilization: Celts
5. Leader name: Arthur
6. Gender: Male
7. World Shape: Torus
8. Bloodlust: don't care
9. Pollution: On

B: Other setting

1. Keygen's PBEM Rules: Yes
2. 24-hour Rule: Yes
3. Ratings: Rate me!

C: Additional info

1. Your time region: GMT-6
2,3,4: already rated

Edited to correct time zone.
Edited again to change difficulty and nation preferences.


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Last edited by Dugrik on 11-07-2001 at 02:47

	09-05-2001 06:42									#4
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Keygen,

Doesnt matter to me. I would like to be George W. Bush Americans.

	09-05-2001 06:44									#5
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A:
1:King or above
2:Ruins Only
3:Huge
4:English
5:Gavrushka
6:Male
7 onut
8:Bloodlust on
9:Pollution on (To hell with the Kyoto Summit eh Bush?? )
10: oh there isn't a 10....

B:
1:
2:V. Occassionally I may be away for 24 hours (very very occassionally)I will always email well in advance, and can nominate another person if this helps
3:Rate me.....

C:
1: BST (GMT +1)
2 eity
3:British


Saddam, You're right, KEYGEN is certainly some guy! - I vote we club together and buy him the Acropolis!!!

Do I need anything other than the two patches??

	09-05-2001 10:46									#7
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Settings don't matter except Pollution ON.
Name Datsun Sunny of the Japanese, male.
Timezone GMT

	09-05-2001 11:35									#8
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Sorry guys but I must resign. I'm overloaded with work right now and don't have any spare time. I think it's better to step out now instead of slowing you down. Sorry again.

	09-05-2001 18:17									#10
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No problem Kralj. Thanks for informing us on time.

Gavrushka, I know Jafo. He had posted once here that he wanted to join a PBEM game but I think he didn't start any. At list here in ACS. I will email him if needed. Saddam who just joined can cover his absence after all .

	09-05-2001 22:09									#11
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Do you know that exist 2 QuickStart for Apolyton Pack, with 5 settlers
and with 10 settlers.

Bellow description for 5 settlers version:
> You start this game with:
> - 5 super settlers (15 movement, vision range increase by one)
> - 1 Super Horse Archer (20 movement, vision range 2),
> replace by a normal one at turn 3
> - 1 Super Transport (20 movement, vision range 3, can carry 5 units),
> replace by a normal one at turn 4
> Moreover, the first 5 cities created by each player autogrow to size 3
> if build before turn 3 and have a new good at the build location
> Bonus: 2 caravans at turn 3

More information on http://slaamp.virtualave.net/ctp

Cheers
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	09-05-2001 23:46									#12
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Hi Slamp, how are you?

Does Apolyton Pack includes your mod?

I though it was the Dutcheese mod included in the Apolyton Pack which includes a couple of accelerated starts...

We are planning to include an accelerated start in this game.

So here comes the question:

a) 5 settlers or
b) 10 settlers

	10-05-2001 02:21									#14
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Wont the apolyton pack mess up my ISP and other PBEM game's?

Because it requires modifying default game files like Dutcheese?
OR does it actually work from indside the scenario folder?
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	10-05-2001 05:23									#16
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Dutcheese accelerate start will not work with Apolyton Pack. That's why I wrote a Quickstart more than one year ago.
My QuickStart is not included in Apolyton Pack but it's only 2 scenarios and you will have nothing to change except the number of scenarios in "packlist.txt"

Saddam, before installing apolyton pack backup your ctp_data folder.

Keygen, I'm fine

I prefer 10 settlers but I will not play here Take a look on "APQS" thread.

> You start this game with:
> - 10 super settlers (20 movement, vision range increase by one)
> - 25 advances (the first 20 advances(0-19) + stirrup (20), engineering (21), hull making (24), agricultural revolution (26) and ocean faring (29)
> - 20000 Gold, 20000 PW
> - 1 Super Horse Archer (25 movemnt, vision range 2), replace by a normal one at turn 3
> - 1 Super Transport (25 movement, vision range 3, can carry 5 units), replace by a normal one at turn 4
> Moreover, the first 10 cities created by each player autogrow to size 3 if build before turn 3 and have a new good at the build location.
> The first 10 cities autogrow by one pop on turn 3 AND one other pop on turn 5
> Bonus: 5 caravans at turn 3

A huge map for 5 players is great.
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	10-05-2001 05:58									#17
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edit- I got my answer. 2 more question tho, what to edit on the packlist? Tho I will probably find out when I download.but, just in case

Oh and which version do I download on your site "> nd why does it say I must Apolyton pack?


btw I say we use Slaamp's version.


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	10-05-2001 19:46									#18
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Saddam, you will probably have to edit the "packlist.txt" to increase the number by 2.

Slamp's QuickStart needs the Apolyton Pack to run because it uses some strings from it if I remember correctly. It is a very good mod. I recommend it. PBEM Mod Lite is based on this one.

10 settlers means faster expansion and more quick contact with the rest. Good choice if you want the interesting diplomacy to start as soon as possible.

I have heard the the "APQS" game is maybe one of the best around.

Thanks Slamp!

Still looking for a moderator. Hard to find one with AP installed...

	11-05-2001 09:59									#19
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Keygen,

I've been giving it a try and I'm pretty confident that we can use your PBEM Mod Lite within Apolyton Pack as our "quickstart". The steps are these (assuming you have already installed your PBEM Mod and the Apolyton Pack):

1) Open your PBEM Mod Lite beneath the scenarios folder.
2) Edit Copy scen0000 folder
3) Edit Paste (You get a folder called 'Copy of scen0000'
4) Open the Apolyton Pack folder beneath the scenarios folder
5) Drag the Copy of scen0000 folder into the Apolyton Pack folder
6) Rename the folder so it has the next available scenario number
7) Edit packlist.txt in the Apolyton Pack folder and increase the number at the end of the file by 1.

It's done. The only problem is that the games started this way will use your DiffDB.txt and this is one of the major changes in the Apolyton Pack. I'm working on a merge of the Apolyton Pack file and yours so you'll have a "CTP PBEM Mod Lite for Apolyton"
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	11-05-2001 13:29									#20
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Keygen, you're welcome

I forgot to say that it's better to use a huge map with Apolyton Quickstart
because settlers have a lot of movement points at the begining. I called it SuperSettler

What's the caracterisk of PBEM mod lite ? Where could I find it ?
May be I could add it as a new scenario to my QuickStart...

Saddam, the last version is 1.0. I called it 1.0 but in the zip file you will find 2 readme files, one for 10 settlers (version 0.9), one for 5 settlers (version 0.3). It's a bit complicated, I know
Anyway, it's here: http://slaamp.virtualave.net/ctp/AQuickStart.zip
Installation process is describe in the zip file.


In 5 settlers version, I discuss with Swissy about knowledge. I mean on the
first turn you need to choose what you want to research, I remembered that you will have 3 differents choices depending on your strategy (military, economy...)
I had no time to do the same with 10 settlers version, but if you are interesting I could do it.

	11-05-2001 16:30									#22
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Speaking of time getting precoius ..Im tackling several games and ask to be erased from this game. not to mention I am subbing for Yeti too, who has, disappeared .

	12-05-2001 23:15									#23
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So where do we stand now? Which mod are we gonna use? I'm comfortable with the Apollyton Pack as is, but I'll try anything once.

Will installing Slamp's mod interfere with my current (solo) Apolyton Pack games?

Also, I think we'll need to change the name of this game, otherwise we'll get too many questions on the Apolyton Pack itself.

	13-05-2001 02:39									#24
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Personally I like quick starts but I think slamp's are too quick! I'd prefer to use Keygen's PBEM Mod lite. I'm currently modding his mod to fit the Apolyton Pack

Is everyone else happy to use this mod within Apolyton Pack? It won't interfere with any other Apolyton and/or Keygen PBEM Mod games that you have running at the moment.

	13-05-2001 03:55									#25
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Dug, you are 4 players right now with no moderator. I would suggest to wait one more week at most until we find a couple more players and a moderator and PN merge PBEM Mod Lite with Apolyton map in case you use it instead of QS.

	13-05-2001 17:00									#26
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Keygen, I will take a look on this 2 mods this afternoon and the following night.

Dugrik, Apolyton QuickStart will not interfere with Apolyton games. it's not a mod it's only 2 scenarios.

PN, did you try 5 settlers version ? it's not too quick for me
What is for u is "too quick":
- number of settlers ?
- number of advances ?
- gold, pw ?
What do you want ? I could create a new scenario very easily by changing some variables in an existing one.

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	14-05-2001 01:49									#27
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Keygen, You did a beautifull work on this mod... I will try to add it to my QuickStart as a new scenario if you agree

	14-05-2001 01:53									#28
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Slamp,

It's the exaggerated movement that I don't like too much. It increases the probability of finding opponents much too early, and one of the things I like about CTP is the slow build up and surprise when you do finally start meeting others.

BTW, Keygen's PBEM mod DOES interfere with Apolyton Pack. Keygen's PBEM mod grants advances and starting levels of gold and PW by providing a new DiffDB.txt. If you put Keygen's mod into Apolyton as just another 'quickstart' scenario it causes the Apolyton DiffDB.txt to be ignored. You don't do this with your quickstarts. You grant advances and starting levels in scenario.SLIC, so with your mods, the Apolyton DiffDB.txt is used.
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	14-05-2001 13:49									#29
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Thanks Slamp! Yeah sure, give it a try and let me now .

PN, adding gold and public work isn't hard through Slic code but controlling which advances will be granded and which won't might be a problem. Another solution would be merging the "DiffDB.txt" of Apoyton Pack with the "DiffDB.txt" of PBEM Mod Lite just in the scenario folder where the mod will reside.

	14-05-2001 14:45									#30
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I will add gold and PW using slic code, I already did it.

I'd like the way you give the choice of advance, I will try to do the same.