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lateralis
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so my most recent game i'm playing as the eqyptians on regent (this looks to be my first regent win but I'm not there yet.  ) So usually, I play as persia and trigger my golden age pretty early. however this game, I didn't bother building any war chariots maily because I was surrounded by a lot of jungle and mountains making a wheeled unit kinda worthless. anyhow, I was playing mostly as warmonger and managed to destroy germany, rome and france and was coming up on early industrial ages when I started building JS bach's. at this point I must be like two or three techs behind I'm guessing when boom, right after steam and halfway through industrialization, I get a reigious golden age and OH MY JUMPIN JESUS!!!!
I used it to put factories in every one of my bigger cities, AND put libraries AND universities almost everywhere (which i had neve bothered to biuld scince I was too busy building cheap temples/cathedrals with my religious bonus), plus research medicine, sanitation (thus building hospitols everywhere they were needed) scientific method (thereby beating everyone to ToE) hence getting two extra techs which helped build me towards tanks while researching at 4 turns/tech to electronics and beating everyone to hoover dam, which (once I hit motorized transport post golden age) allowed me to build a HUGE amount of tanks to teach those annoying greeks a lesson. once I'm done with them, it's over to the other continent (where india stands alone after destroying japan) to wreek havoc on the leader in score who is now firmly 4 or 5 techs behind me.
the later game golden age is the single coolest thing in the history of the world. hands down. sorry if everyone already knows this, it was my first GA after ancient times and I got a little carried away. ok that's all
lateralis
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Demerzel
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as I'm playing emperor, for me an ancient age GA is far more important, i can use it to bring my forces up to a sufficient standard to conquer/deal serious damage to a few rivals thus gaining important territory & sometimes techs in any peace settlements.
this sets me up to be a very solid position by the middle ages and by the start/(or very latest)middle of the industrial age I expect to be leading the tech race anyway. at which we can say cavalry & tank charges are very much the order of the day in my aim to subjugate the remaining few civs who resist my enlightened leadership.
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Arrian
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Kneel before Grog!
Jul 2001
time: 00:22
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I like the late ancient/early medieval period for my golden age. As long as it's not despotic, it's all good.
A funny thing happened last night, though. I was play as the Aztecs and warmongering as usual, without using my jags. I used archers to hit the English and then horse/swords on Russia. I built the Colossus (religious) and captured the Great Wall (militaristic) from Russia. Captured wonders should not trigger a GA. And the GW didn't... at least not right away. 10 turns after capturing the GW, I finished the Great Library (scientific) in Tenochticlan. BOOM, Golden Age! I think CivIII runs a check of Wonders in your possession upon completion of a wonder... and if you have a civ trait match, GA for you. Not that I'm really complaining. The GA was pretty well-timed, I was a Monarchy, and I soon picked a fight with a Mounted Warrior capable Iroquois (if they had built VETERANS they may have done more damage, but waddya gonna do, eh?). All is now proceeding according to plan (knight horde unleashed).
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Moonsinger
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quote:
Originally posted by Hagbart
Arrian: I didn't know you could get a GA by capturing a wonder, cool... |
No, he didn't trigger the Golden Age by capturing any GW; he got it by finishing the Great Library.
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Jethro83
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Newcastle, Australia
Mar 2002
time: 15:22
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I find golden ages to be useful after switching to monarchy or republic, during the middle ages, or after Motorized transportation. Any earlier, and there aren't enough cities to gain full benefit (as well as being in a corrupt, primitive government). Any later, and the game is pretty much decided anyway.
My best GAs were as Rome (Used my legions in battle after switching to Monarchy. Beat the AI to Leo's Workshop and Sistine Chapel on the same turn), Chinese (Used riders. Used the GA to crank out more and more riders until I was last man standing) and the Germans (the panzers turned me from a civ in the mediocrity to the most powerful civ in the game).
I once got an F-15 Golden age, but it wasn't any use to me, since I was already the superpower and at least 2 techs ahead of the opposition (Who were all communist and at war with each other. I was democracy, at peace with all but one civ).
But even then, knowing how to use the golden age to full effect is the most important thing.
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JohnM2433
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Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Jul 2002
time: 21:22
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I'm going to guess that an early Golden Age is generally better than a late one. Why?
Well, the bonus you get in the early game allows you to build things that increase your production, which allows you to build more things that increase it even more, etc. By the time you reach the modern era, you'll probably already be past the point that a late Golden Age would have taken you to. The late GA only seems so impressive because the increase comes suddenly, all at once.
To illustrate the importance of the early game, consider how the game would procede if you started out with two settlers and two workers instead of only one of each. In theory, you would expand out at twice the normal rate, and produce twice as much commerce, units, cities, etc. In practice, corruption/waste and space limits would probably cause your total productivity to less than double in the long run, but I think you can see how effective a small early bonus can be. Generally, if something increases your productivity by a fixed percentage, the earlier it is, the better, because what you have is multiplied as the game progresses. This is what we call "the miracle of compound interest".
Very early GAs are bad for two reasons:
1. Despotism often severely limits the bonuses to the point where they are near nonexistent.
2. If you are focusing on building settlers, the GA will likely not be very helpful in this, as the limiting factor is usually population growth, not production. Perhaps one could offset this to a degree by using the extra production to build granaries.
The importance of the early game is why the Expansionist trait is better than some people might realize. It does basically get "used up" as the world becomes populated, and will probably become useless by the middle Middle Ages. But the edge it gives you in the beginning will pay dividends for the rest of the game. (The usefullness of Expansionist also depends on map size, land mass, and number of civs.)
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Barchan
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drifting across the sands of time....
Nov 2001
time: 05:22
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I'd say that the early GA is more subtle than the later one, but each can be equally useful if you've A) planned for it and B) know how to exploit it.
If you can hold off a GA until after industrialization (particularly as the Germans...) and and you've got big cities with factories all over the place, oh boy, is it something to behold. Your production is almost incomprehensible; even your little toad cities are running like champs, and your big hitters are churning out tanks each and every turn. If you've been planning for such a GA, you can overrun the world practically overnight.
Of course, if you'd had an earlier GA, you might have already overrun the world 1000 years earlier. But, IMHO, the earlier GA is tougher to time and exploit because your margin for error is a lot smaller. It's easy to not bungle a late GA because you can pretty much build anything you want several times over, but you've got to focus that little boost of an early GA to get the maximum potential from it. Usually, that means cranking out the troops and rolling over your neighbors as quickly as possible, but it might also mean building as many cultural buildings (or granaries, or courthouses, or whatever) as fast as you can. But the chances of being able to do both in an early GA are a lot smaller than for a later GA, so careful planning and execution are much more key.
Personally, I prefer the later GA because it's more spectacular to behold and it makes it really fun to whomp the other civs. I've also had great success on other occasions with early GAs, but the later ones are much more fun.
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17-09-2002 04:05
I agree it must be minor bug then.
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