04-10-2002 16:37									#61
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Please hang in there -Jrabbit, we will find a solution soon enough.

	04-10-2002 17:03									#62
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Hidey Mouse said it all - keep taking the tablets -Jrabbit
We will overcome!

SG[1]

	05-10-2002 04:47									#63
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From the Apolyton/Community forum I found out that many other with a wide variety of browsers were having problems with truncated attachment d/ls. Problem appears to have been fixed. Hydey's .sav file works fine. I may go back and d/l a couple of the zips from previous players' turns and see if they work properly, too.

Now I just need time to play

	05-10-2002 22:01									#64
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Reporting from La-la land --

Thanks to all for your understanding and acceptance. This why I love the Poly community!
Looking forward to my next round of play.

Go get 'em Straybow!

	08-10-2002 00:51									#65
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Straybow?????

Anybody home?

	08-10-2002 02:37									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Straybow Now I just need time to play

Come on this game is more important than your real life.

	08-10-2002 13:26									#67
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Straybow consults with the Seers of Blackclick. "There are lands to the West!"
Wise men discover Literacy, we go for Pottery next (looking towards Nav).

Straybow directs the Priests to build Temples in our great cities. Straybow tells his Visier, "Shouldn't you Wise Guys be writing some of this stuff down?"
"My Leige, build us Libraries in which to store and study our scrolls."
"Let it be done in those cities devoted to Temple worship."

Our brave Horsemen land upon the shores of a new land, to find it occupied by odd and smelly tribes calling themselves "Germans." Our faithful captain agrees to peace and hires skilled masons to teach new techniques in stoneworking in exchange for explaining to them the wisdom of living under the glorious King Straybow.

Our brave Horsemen disembark again to climb a high mountain and scout the lands around the stinky city of Leipzig. The Germans foolishly break their word of peace and hurl two bands of footsoldiers to dislodge our Horsemen. They die upon our lances.

Our artisans have mastered techniques of sealing pottery to preserve grain, which may serve some use. The treacherous Germans deserve to be crushed. Straybow orders that the great beasts of the savannahs so recently domesticated now be trained as beasts of war.

After tracing the Southern coast our fleet turns for home. We may send merchants to profit from the German people who shall be subjugated under our feet. We hear rumors of cities desirous of silver and wool. The Seers of Blackclick say the German continent extends far to the north, so perhaps those cities may be found there.

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	08-10-2002 14:26									#68
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Thanks Straybow I have the game and will play this evening.

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	08-10-2002 19:50									#69
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Library production axed, except for the capital. Science will come from trade and theft! Too many libraries early on are a drain on the treasury...better to construct markets if buying city improvements.

0100 One Wonders builds MarketPlace (now celebrating): No Lighthouse a Temple: Wool to Frankfurt 168g
0120 Polytheism Now researching Republic. One Wonders size 5.
0140 One Wonders builds Library Nil Newton founded.
0160 Republic stolen from Leipzig; Gold to Leipzig 208g
0180 Now researching Construction. One Wonders Size 6. Silver to Berlin 213g.
0200 Construction Now working on Mathematics
0220 Revolution to Republic
0240 Philosophy stolen from Frankfurt. One Wonders builds Colosseum. Almost all cities are celebrating Population 800,000
0260 One wonders size 7. Population just over 1 million.
0280 Population 1.37 million. One Wonders size 8. Hides to Frankfurt 252g.
0300 Population 1.69 million. Salt to Konigsberg 216g One Wonders builds Aqueduct...now size 9
0320 Mathematics Now studying Seafaring Population 1.96 million. One Wonders size 10
Seafaring stolen from Hambourg.

Note to my successor: The only German cities (that we know about) where science has not been stolen from are Berlin and Konigsberg.

I played 12 turns, which seems about right for the second round.

Order of Play
2nd Round
SG[1] is away for a couple of days so if Vlad wants to play next please go ahead, but post to tell us

SG(2) Played
Vlad
SG[1]
La Fayette
Hydey
-Jrabbit
Straybow


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SG(2)

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	09-10-2002 01:05									#70
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We can only steal what they've got. I was thinking our contact with more civs would be long delayed, thus the need for independent research. Now we're running 60% lux instead of building improvements with all that commodity revenue and using the generated trade for research?

	09-10-2002 03:16									#71
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60% Luxuries is only needed to obtain maximum celebration. That will rate will come down in the near future. Larger cities in Republic will make caravan returns much more rewarding. This is the way forward for independent research.

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	09-10-2002 06:45									#72
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The soonest I can play is-- *checks calendar*-- Saturday. Actually, if I get all my work done for Thursday, I could in theory do it on Wednesday... I'll keep ya posted.

If SG[1] isn't back by then, I'll go ahead.

(+1 )

	10-10-2002 16:49									#73
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I have the game !

Will post later today with luck...

SG[1]

	10-10-2002 20:35									#74
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One Wonder Game ...

320 = a tiny tickle
340 = Banking selected, population 2M; much tickling;
360 = 2.43M pop, One Wonders @ 12; Emply 5 Elvi and reduce luxuries to 30%; a few tickles; ship chain coming together
380 = Salt: Antigizeh-One Wonders, 30g; much ticking
400 = German Trireme fails to sink our incoming goods; Marketplace in Not the Gardens (lose an Elvis); Salt: KeinKoloss-Berlin. 176g; Beads: No Lighthouse!-Berlin, 156g;
420 = Banking - > Astronomy; Gold: Not the Gardens-Berlin, 180g; Beads: Byemide-Berlin, 144g;
440 = Marketplace in Keinkoloss; Bank in One Wonders;
460 = Beads: Nil Newton-One Wonders, 26g;
480 = not much
500 = Astronomy -> Navigation; German Embassy established - they have Medicine; Hides: One Wonders-Berlin, 469g; Gold: No Lighthouse!-Berlin, 156g;
520 = Navigation -> Physics; Marketplace in No Lighthouse!; Wool: Keinkoloss-Berlin, 92g;
540 = Marketplace in Byemike; Wool: Hoomer Sucks-One Wonders, 32g;
560 = Medicine stolen from Berlin; Hides: One Wonders-Berlin, 256g;

Our Empire is in good shape - One Wonders can produce a demanded Hides caravan every other turn (two already in stock) the ship chain to Berlin is in place and our new fangled Caravels will soon be at sea - enjoy!

SG[1]

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	10-10-2002 20:36									#75
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and in unzipped form ...

SG[1]

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	10-10-2002 20:38									#76
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The direct path to communism beckons!

SG[1]

	11-10-2002 00:30									#77
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Posted later that day -- SG[1] had luck!
Mucho trade...

Now... Vlad or La Fayette?

	11-10-2002 03:01									#78
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La Fayette ... would you like to play before Vlad who cannot operate until Saturday?

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	11-10-2002 03:58									#79
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OK
I play before saturday (which means tomorrow ).

	11-10-2002 03:58									#80
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No problems if La Fayette wishes to go ahead.

	11-10-2002 21:12									#81
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I have just downloaded and I feel compelled to strongly disagree with my friend SG[1]

This game is 'no wonders', but we have a hidden wonder: the commodity named Hides is repeatedly offered in our glorious capital city and repeatedly demanded in Berlin.
This means that, before the discovery of Invention or NAVIGATION, we were able to rushbuild one camel/turn in One Wonders for a cost of 150 gold (50 gold for a warrior starting from empty box, then 25 for a phalanx,...etc) and deliver the camel in Berlin for a price close to 450 gold ( + 450 beakers ).

SG[1] seems to have built each camel in 2 turns (instead of 1) and he seems to have successfully researched Navigation, which reduces the selling price by 50% (probably about 225 gold/camel instead of 450 previously). Moreover this also reduces the beakers and cuts down the research derived from that wonderful trade route by about 50% .

No more whining. I shall play.
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	11-10-2002 21:18									#82
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When I chose where to build Keinkoloss, I noticed that there was already an access to the inside lake through another city. Moreover, building Keinkoloss on the 'canalsquare' would have required irrigating the forest. That's why, though a great canal lover (me too ), I built Keinkoloss where it is.

	11-10-2002 21:33									#83
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M. LaFayette is of course correct in his assessment of the facts. However, ...
With our outmoded triremes I was building these glorious caravans faster than I could deliver them even using the slower, but cheaper 70g + two turns means of production.
Of course, the one third reduction in revenue that is associated with Navigation is regrettable, but progress towards our Communist Grail cannot be slowed - you will recover this loss by the added mobility of our new fleet and their ability to seek out far lands and new markets for our glorious trade goods.

Give 'em hell LaFayette

SG[1] - a benign old fart

	11-10-2002 22:11									#84
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You guys know far too much about micromanaging trade routes. Have you no lives?

(Of course you don't -- Here we all are!!)

* -Jrabbit realizing he just made his first ship chain a couple weeks back *

	12-10-2002 05:02									#85
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Apart from a funny attack by the Germans, those were in fact peaceful years.

1) The funny attack
A German trireme sails to our western coast. A horseman lands and kills a camel of ours on its way to Berlin. A German camel lands next. A horseman of ours rides swiftly and kills both the German horseman and the German camel. End of the funny attack.

2) The peaceful years
Many camels delivered to Berlin (mostly Hides from NoWonders).
Physics discovered in 640AD, then Monotheism in 720AD, then University in 760AD. Economics to be discovered in 820AD.
Many Market Places and Harbours built + University in NoWonders. We might have a second period of WLTCD any time.

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	12-10-2002 20:21									#86
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820 AD: Economics discovered, now researching Chemistry. (Amazingly, neither we nor the Germans have Warrior Code or The Wheel.) Caravans delivered for a boatload of cash.

860 AD: Germans discover Economics. More caravan deliveries.

880 AD: Chemistry discovered, now working on The Wheel. (Other alternative was ToG.)

900 AD: Another caravan delivery. Production of Copernicus in Berlin sabotaged. Actually, this is the first time I've sabotaged WONDER production with a diplo or spy. I always assumed the provision regarding not being able to sabotage wonders already built applied to wonders in construction. Guess not. They were one turn away from finishing it, too.

920 AD: As we explore the boundaries of Germany, it appears they're on an island, too.

940 AD: Northern scout ship (a trireme) gets killed by German trireme. Couple more deliveries.

960 AD: Wheel discovered, now doing Engineering.

980 AD: Germans get Chemistry.

1000 AD: German island completely circumnavigated. They're just as isolated as we are.

1020 AD: Germans declare war on us again (apparently, they forgot we were at war ). Most of the way to Engineering now. New landmass discovered to the far east.

1040 AD: Nothing new.

One thing of note: We have two cities that can produce Hides caravans-- One Wonders and Nil Newton. (Both are set to produce another next turn.)

The save:

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	12-10-2002 21:34									#87
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Yeah, but with 4 shield-grass surrounding it the forested canal tile is actually a pretty good deal without chopping the trees down. It doesn't do much good to access the inland sea, a through passage would be needed. I hate having to go the long way around.

On the other hand, we are so isolated there won't be too much sea traffic to intercept.

Then we come to the matter of someone building Antigizah on a hidden special tile…

	13-10-2002 04:56									#88
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Straybow
I confess I don't take enough care of hidden specials

	13-10-2002 05:05									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Vlad Antlerkov One thing of note: We have two cities that can produce Hides caravans-- One Wonders and Nil Newton. (Both are set to produce another next turn.)

Vlad
You should build one camel/turn in One Wonders (cost: 150 gold, one time bonus in Berlin: about 230 gold + 230 beakers).
You should also do the same in Nil Newton (cost: 150 gold, one time bonus: about 100 gold + 100 beakers).

	14-10-2002 05:18									#90
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I think I am next, if I'm not post today as I will play tonight.