18-09-2002 20:57									#31
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If they would only drop the 1 and 2 €cents, i'd be happy

	18-09-2002 20:59									#32
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That's not a peeved finn's ramblings.

These are indeed legitimate concerns to be taken into account.

	18-09-2002 21:02									#33
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italians have proposed an end to 1 and 2 cents.

(I love this fine tuning of the single european currency )

	18-09-2002 21:12									#34
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger I think the Germans want them turned into Marks

Anytime! Euro has punched a hole through my wallet!

So long...

	18-09-2002 21:22									#35
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Hmm -- no one in Europe has yet to come out with coin rolls? A roll full of E2 coins would be a nice thing to swap in at a store or bank .

Canada's had $1 and $2 coins for years now. I don't usually have any problem with too many coins -- I limit myself to carrying just 2 of each, along with 4 quarters, in my wallet. Any extras I toss in my coin-bowls in my closet. Roll up the coins once a month or so and you get yourself a bit of bonus money .

	18-09-2002 22:02									#36
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I can't figure out why dollar coins refuse to catch on in the U.S. I had no problem using them. I guess they're just considered a Commie plot, like flouridation.

	18-09-2002 22:48									#37
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I wish the US dollar was available only as a coin. I hate one dollar bills. The only time I use them is when I have a whole slew of them or at vending machines. The latter is difficult unless the bill was minted 3 days ago.

Dollar coins may catch on if they start making them a different size than the quarter. That and available at places other than the post office.

If people really think that something has less value because it is a coin, they really don't deserve to have money in the first place.

	18-09-2002 22:51									#38
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Such simplified mind. Are you an american or something?

Perception, habits and exchange rates can very well lead people to that and it happens everywhere. No problem there if retailers didn't use it to their advantage (blame free markets)

	18-09-2002 23:06									#39
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No, I am from Mars.

Well, we might as well make all our currency notes then. That way people will value a penny.

How do retailers use it to their advantage? Refuse to accept coins?

I don't think any money is of less value simply becuase it is made of metal. I know four quarters equal one dollar.

People will adjust to the coins soon enough. I'll assume that there are no 1 or 2 euro notes? They'll get used to it. If they don't, they'll just have big piles of 1 and 2 euro coins to roll up and deposit into the bank every month or so.

Coins are SOOOOOOOOO much cheaper to make than notes. Notes need to be replaced much more often that coins. I have coins minted in the 1950s and they are still shiny. I have bills minted in 1998 and look like they've been used as a diaper.

	18-09-2002 23:40									#40
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Following that logic coins should be attributed with a higher value than notes, something which clearly isn't happening and would be foolish to happen.

	19-09-2002 02:15									#41
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Dollar coins just feel funny to use. I feel like a cheapskate if I pay for something with coins instead of bills, even if they have the same value.

	19-09-2002 04:13									#42
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I prefer shrapnel.

And I really don't see how being a coin devalues a currency. I hate £5 notes, they are always old, fading and half-ripped. I would much prefer a £5 coin to a £5 note.

	19-09-2002 04:16									#43
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH We had pound notes but got rid of them years ago

The Scots didn't (get rid of them that is). Or so I am told.

	19-09-2002 04:19									#44
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I dunno… I like the 1 dollar bill and I totally agree with Thucy.
It just feels so… natural. Coins? Bleh.

	19-09-2002 05:03									#45
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Coins are the way to go. Make the five Euro note a coin!

If they even make the one and two Euro coins into notes it will look even more like that crap it is.

	19-09-2002 05:10									#46
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 That's not a peeved finn's ramblings.

How can you know that? Have you seen a peeved Finn?

quote: italians have proposed an end to 1 and 2 cents.

And BOF doesn't distribute Finnish 1 and 2 cent coins as they would have a too small value. And I agree with their opinion as the 5 cent coin isn't so valuable now. Instead prices are round up with following rules.

x,01 -> x,00
x,02 -> x,00
x,03 -> x,05
x,04 -> x,05
x,06 -> x,05
x,07 -> x,05
x,08 -> x,10
x,09 -> x,10

But I might have remembered it wrong now.

	19-09-2002 10:06									#47
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The United States has been trying to move to one dollar coins for years -- first the Suzy B., the Saskewagea (close enough); the Sas just got cancelled for lack of interest -- people just aren't using them.

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	19-09-2002 12:12									#48
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Problem is, every country has their own ideas about how to partition currency. In Germany, a 50 ? note is just as normal as everything below. Mostly because the 100 DM note was also very normal. In most other countries people tend to get suspicious at that. The 2? coin is even less than 5 DM which we were used to. There was a DM 5 note which you would get once or twice a year, but it wasn't really accepted. One tried to introduce a 200 DM note, but somehow you'd never get them. - I don't know who complained about them, but apparently people did.

I enjoyed very much that on my frequent train trips between Nancy and Cologne, I didn't get any more Belgian/Luxembourg Franc when I bought a meal in Luxembourg main station... And lots of similar things.

	19-09-2002 13:58									#49
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Anyone who thinks something's worth less just because it's a coin is clearly a moron.

	19-09-2002 14:00									#50
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Anyone who thinks something's worth less just because it's a coin is clearly a moron.

	19-09-2002 15:13									#51
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not if he is used to think that for all his life he isn't.

You are calling most of continental Europe morons. But you are a brit, so...

	19-09-2002 15:18									#52
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(clarification: so since you will be under more German domination than what you already are, who gives a hollering ****? )

	19-09-2002 15:18									#53
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So in europe people have always thought coins which are the same denomination as notes are worth less

	19-09-2002 15:21									#54
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We vil eat your children, ya?

	19-09-2002 15:29									#55
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 We vil eat your children, ya?

If you eat the ones who scratched my car i'll be grateful

	19-09-2002 15:30									#56
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Clarification for the dumb witted: when the most worth coin in many countries was only a fraction of the value of the 1 coin euro you tend to subconsiously give the 1 euro coin less worth.

One.

and Two: retailers are taking advantage of that psychological fact.

This is the 3rd time I have to repeat it. Jesus H Christ

	19-09-2002 15:33									#57
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* Skanky Burns likes his Aussie notes made of plastic, not paper.

Although our $1 and $2 are coins. Better than notes IMO.

	19-09-2002 15:34									#58
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Clarification for the dumb witted: when the most worth coin in many countries was only a fraction of the value of the 1 coin euro you tend to subconsiously give the 1 euro coin less worth. One. and Two: retailers are taking advantage of that psychological fact. This is the 3rd time I have to repeat it. Jesus H Christ

Well don't think that. It's stupid.

	19-09-2002 16:20									#59
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No 1 and 2 € notes. When I was in the US, I couldn't bear this stupid 1$ notes. Maybe it's just me, but I hate to insert notes everytime I want something from a vending machine.
Plus, notes take much more room than coins, and having notes for smaller values will make our wallets grow terribly bigger. Go with the 5€ coin ! (I can't understand I agreed with Brits on this one)

When notes will lose their real value, they'll lose their values in the mind of people too (remember the German devaluation : nobody said notes were worth something).
But I could see your point if life in Greece was really chepaer than in northern Europe (and wages lower accordingly).
Let's just compare prices : here in France, 20 cigarettes cost about 3€, a litre of gasoline costs arond 1€, a student's flat is aroun 120€. How much is it in Greece ?

	19-09-2002 16:36									#60
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In the UK 20 cigarettes is €6.75, a litre of petrol is about €1.50 and a students flat is about €300 a month - depending on what part of the country you are in. More in expensive areas.