21-05-2001 20:44									#1
	Paulno1's Internet Game Challenge Enter the AD-FREE zone

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Game Name = Paulno1's Internet Game Challenge
Internet game; deity level; raging hordes; regular size map; donut world; random map; all map settings at 50%; 3 settlers, 100 gold; restart until 3600 B.C., NON GAMELEAGUE GAME; no rush buy/remove tricks; no other bug utilization tricks; speed cities -- 30 seconds max per city (no time pestering); 4 hour sessions; break every 2 hours.

Game will start at:
7:00 a.m. Auckland, New Zealand
12:00 p.m. (high noon ) Los Angeles, USA
3:00 p.m. Toronto, Canada
8:00 p.m. London, Great Britain

Proposed Players:
1. Paulno1 (New Zealand) -- Number 1 player on CTP GameLeague for several months.
2. Quinns (United States) -- Number 15 player on CTP PBEM Ratings, number 93 player on CTP GameLeague (new to GameLeague) .
3. Gavrushka (United Kingdom) -- Number 92 player on CTP Gameleague (new to GameLeague).


One moderator (any volunteers?)

If agreed to by all players, pick a Saturday or Sunday. I am available next Saturday, May 26 at noon PDT.
[This message has been edited by quinns (edited May 21, 2001).]

	21-05-2001 20:50									#2
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** Previous posts related to this game **

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Paulno1
Settler
Auckland New Zealand
Mar 2001

posted May 21, 2001 08:33


Gav and quinns or who ever was challening me
What map settings you like
0 ocean land settings is always good then you get all hills and mountains,
That gives you alot too do when it comes too mining

yes on all islands.
about 7 diverse
i dont care about amount of goods too much, less there is the more skill required.
Wet about 4
continent about 4 or 5 more the less hills and mountians there become slightly.
I prefer if there is no gifting tec untill at least 0 ad gigantic map not worry quite so much. I ran into troubles
on reg maps in 2 on 1's when they got ahead on tec early when they gifted. That made it a little harder but
not too hard.
Had i mentioned that i had played 2 on 1's many times. Ived tried 3 on 1 but got too slow.


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quinns
King
California, USA
Oct 2000

posted May 21, 2001 10:24


Okay Paul, that is a LOT of conditions on the two on one game that I proposed earlier. It sounds like your
strategy is tailor made for those exact settings. If you are still interested in playing this game, I would suggest
we leave the settings exactly as we proposed earlier. No trade exclusions.

What does it matter anyway? The real strategy, I think, is to do the best you can with what you are given,
even if you only have glaciers and swamp. Why have all these preset settings that may enhance one player
who knows the perfect strategy for building with those settings? That would not be fair at all, IMO.

	22-05-2001 09:18									#3
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Paul, please note that I have changed this to a NON GAMELEAGUE GAME. For you have nothing to gain from a victory in this game (a few piddly GL points as you mentioned), but everything to lose (according to Gameleague ratings calculation anyway). But it will still be a game played in all seriousness, (i.e. not a "fun" game, per se), but we hope to have "fun" at the same time .

We should start another another group of players (Internet CTP Players) on Apolyton using our same rating system that we have here on PBEM. The rating system used for CTP PBEM does not punish the "high ranked player playing the low ranked player" NEARLY as bad as GameLeague does. I could call this new club APLCPI (for APoLyton Call to Power -- Internet). The ratings would be calculated the same as the CTP PBEM Ratings, but would be in a separate thread called CTP Internet Ratings. This game could be the first of a series of these "internet" games rated here on Apolyton. I would administer it.

	22-05-2001 04:28									#4
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Holy ****.......took about twenty minutes after the forum upgrade to get to post reply......and being well stricken in years (contagious eh Quinns ) I can't quite remember what I am replying to....

Mine is a Chicken Egg Foo Yung with Fried Rice...

...sorry! I will take whatever settings, I will be available at 12:00 your time, thats 8:00pm BST . I agree a GL game would be unfair on Paul - Am I to take it that we are on a pure Land Map? Regular Size, better than average wetness and average trade goods?

How will a moderator work in an Internet game? Will we send saves every few turns?

Start Gold Bog Standard 100 yeh? 3 Settlers?

Looking Forward to it.....

	22-05-2001 05:29									#5
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Could you save that game for a latter review?

I really want to learn the way of play from the No. 1 on GL, I think other players here also like it, 'coz PaulNo1 will never play vs one of us (newbies in GL like me).

	22-05-2001 05:42									#6
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Don't see why noe berXpert - If we take saves every few turns, then you can see how the strategy unfolds! - It would beintesting for a lot oepeople I am sure

	22-05-2001 21:21									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Gavrushka Holy ****.......took about twenty minutes after the forum upgrade to get to post reply......and being well stricken in years (contagious eh Quinns ) I can't quite remember what I am replying to.... Mine is a Chicken Egg Foo Yung with Fried Rice... ...sorry! I will take whatever settings, I will be available at 12:00 your time, thats 8:00pm BST . I agree a GL game would be unfair on Paul - Am I to take it that we are on a pure Land Map? Regular Size, better than average wetness and average trade goods? How will a moderator work in an Internet game? Will we send saves every few turns? Start Gold Bog Standard 100 yeh? 3 Settlers? Looking Forward to it.....

Gavrushka, we are still waiting to hear from Paul. If we don't hear anything by tomorrow, we'll cancel this game. We'll work out the details once Paul agrees to play. This topic has quieted down quite a bit. Perhaps he lost interest.

And yes, BerXpert, we will save the game every two or three turns so you can monitor the progress of the game once it is over (if there is a game, that is ).

	23-05-2001 13:02									#8
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I will except your map settings i guess boo
played those settings the other day opponent found 10 settlers i found 0
i hate luck, thats why i like isalnd games never find settlers.
How about 5 settlers start and 10000 gold
i didnt here any comment about wonders what did you want ?
Good players never play with wonders!
i can play your saturday i guess thats my sunday. I can also play any time thursday friday your time.

	23-05-2001 16:10									#9
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If all are willing, I'll moderate for you. I've the time to spare on the days you look to play, and I know what to look for in regards to "bugs" etc. Email is : soulless123@aol.com

	23-05-2001 18:36									#10
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Paul, I didn't realise we were playing all land? I will accept any settings at all - I asked if it was all land - but I think we can compromise this?

Fuzzball, thanks - I think your offer would be much appreciated!!

Paul - you said about Wonders not being used by good players - I am NOT a good Player, it would be flattering me to describe me as average! I prefer Wonders, but again - it's a game, whatever applies to one applies to all...

One thing I do not agree with is 10,000 Gold.. Why so much? I would have no idea what to do with that much Gold - offer it to you as a gift?? LOL
5 Settlers is fine with me - and we are talking a regular map yes?

This weekend is going to be awkward for me except in the arly hours of the morning? My Wife has a Colleague staying until Tuesday Morning, and it would be difficult to play between 10:00 BST and 24:00BST..

Hell Paul, Quinns, choose the settings, I look forward to it!!

	23-05-2001 18:49									#11
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That's great, Paul, Gavrushka, and Fuzzball. Sounds like fun!

Saturday at 12:00 noon Pacific Daylight Time (Los Angeles)
Saturday at 8:00 p.m. (London)
Sunday at 7:00 a.m. (Auckland)

I agree with any settings you like, but I agree with Gavrushka about the gold. How about 1000 gold as a comprimise? Everything else is fine. No wonders is okay with me. And I, too, am not a "good" player. I have defeated many players, so I am "good" relative to those players. But I may be "awful" compared to you, Paul. I have given Blackice a run for his money (had him sweating), but I haven't, yet, defeated him. That gives you some idea of my ability.

And thanks Fuzzball for moderating! I'm not sure of the best way to do this, but I think we can agree on a way.

	23-05-2001 18:58									#12
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Quinns, unfortunately I have guests this weekend, perhaps I forgot to tell you, I distinctly remember two occassions where I forgot to tell you...

I can make it at say midnight BST Saturday or after - which makes the time better for you and Paul I am sure anyway?

By the way Paul, Quinns trashed me into oblivion the only game we completed.... Blackice thrashed me into Oblivion the only game we have completed, and my Cat rates her chances quite highly too.......

	23-05-2001 22:33									#13
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Alright Gavrushka, that's fine with me as well. I distinctly remember me forgetting that you told me that you had company two specific times.

So it is:

11:00 a.m. Sunday (Auckland)
12:00 a.m. Sunday (London midnight Saturday)
4:00 p.m Saturday (Los Angeles)

California 12 Server

How does that sound Paul?

Last edited by quinns on 25-05-2001 at 03:14

	24-05-2001 09:56									#14
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Thats a better time for me hehe
Ok if you want wonders then ill just recomment we exclude the big ones.
Labrinth
stonehenge
London
and edison but i not care about this one too much
These wonders should never be used too much of an advantage.
We didnt agree too a land game did we ?
I thought you said settings all 50%
i dont care too much but wouldnt want land any more than 50 %
ill comment further later

	24-05-2001 13:26									#15
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Paul, now that was refreshing......I thought I was the only one that considered Stonehenge a Biggy - It is the only wonder I build in the Ancient World...... Gives your cities a massive boost and allows them to work more 'production squares' than anyone else....Oh but damn you it is now banned.....LOL!

	25-05-2001 01:28									#16
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I agree with Paul. Let's just keep it simple and ban all wonders and keep all settings at 50%. I imagine you both agreed with the gold at 1000 and settlers at 3. If not, we can discuss it Saturday.

I'll be there Saturday at 4:00 p.m. Los Angeles time!

edit: Oops... I goofed on the above times.

Revised:

So it is:

11:00 a.m. Sunday (Auckland)
12:00 a.m. Sunday (London midnight Saturday)
4:00 p.m Saturday (Los Angeles)

California 12 Server

Last edited by quinns on 25-05-2001 at 03:16

	25-05-2001 06:38									#17
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Where can I place my bet? Odds stand 4 to 1 in Paul's favor

	25-05-2001 12:19									#18
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Aha the Ghost of Dragon appears..... A more than worthy sacrifice to Pauls's Warlust I am sure...... I think the game will be a close one, and success and defeat will depend on how well Quinns and I cooperate and coordinate......

You have the advantage over me in that I have never played Paul before, however you have not played me, and it would be pointless until I have scored some wins...... You would have nothing to gain..... But hope we spar in a couple of months eh?

	25-05-2001 15:42									#19
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what about 5000 or 3000 gold ? and 5 settlers
i prefer 5000 though i think im aloud 1 request since i havent had any yet
Did we agree on gifting tec or not ?
if you aint going to give me any money then i suggest not.

and learn too spend money you will enver be a great player till
you do, very key part of the game
I presuem ill see you in cali at 11 am sunday my time

	25-05-2001 15:51									#20
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come on dragon those odds are a little generous arent they hehe
(too them)
Ill beat $100 NZ hehe thats like nothing in us but lots here (-:
You will never beat me again dragon Fly (-:

	25-05-2001 16:17									#21
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5000 Gold? I agree, I didn't realise though that these were not your settings? What would your settings be? I thought we had agreed on no Wonders at your request?

Maybe my elderly eyes betray me, but I don't think you have ever stated your full preferences? I think you should state them now.

Quinns, I don't know what your thoughts are on this..... but should we debate the settings a bit more fully? One thing I would prefer is to stick with a Regular Map - I do not care on any other settings at all .

	25-05-2001 19:06									#22
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Paul, the "no technology trading" is by far the biggest request you are making IMO. Without that ability, Gavrushka and I are just two separate entities waiting to be swallowed up by the all powerful "Paulno1" But, if that is the only way you will play against us, that is fine. I will accept that then. Dragon, that should take the odds back to about 20:1 instead of 4:1 against us.

I don't understand really, Paul. It sounds like you are extremely confident in winning... so why all of these conditions... more gold, larger map size, no tech trading, etc.?

Last edited by quinns on 25-05-2001 at 20:55

	26-05-2001 06:59									#23
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I kind of agree with the above comments...I mean...it's not really 2 on 1 if the two cannot combine. Tech is the main part.

	26-05-2001 12:38									#24
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Never beat you again Hahaha....wait that isnt funny

	26-05-2001 13:27									#25
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I am no wiser as to the settings.... Could we have a definitive set posted ?

Fuzzball yeh, I was a bit taken aback by the lack of tech trading....I thought the idea was to combine two mediocre players against the official world number one!

	26-05-2001 20:54									#26
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Settings:
Game Name = Paulno1's Internet Game Challenge
Internet game; deity level; raging hordes; regular/large size map???; donut world; random map; all map settings at 50%; 3 settlers/5 settlers???, 100/5000 gold???; restart until 3600 B.C., NON GAMELEAGUE GAME; no tech trading???; no rush buy/remove tricks; no other bug utilization tricks; speed cities -- 30 seconds max per city??? (no time pestering); 4 hour sessions; break every 2 hours.

??? = Debatable

Game will start at:
Sunday 11:01 a.m. Auckland, New Zealand
Saturday 4:01 p.m. Los Angeles, USA
Sunday 12:01 a.m. midnight. London, Great Britain

Proposed Players:

1. Paulno1 (New Zealand) -- Number 1 player on CTP GameLeague for several months.
2. Quinns (United States) -- Number 15 player on CTP PBEM Ratings, number 93 player on CTP GameLeague (new to GameLeague) .
3. Gavrushka (United Kingdom) -- Number 58 player on CTP Gameleague (new to GameLeague).


Moderator: Fuzzball

Last edited by quinns on 27-05-2001 at 00:48

	26-05-2001 21:18									#27
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I should be in the lobby when you guys meet. Hopefully everyone can find a reasonable compromise in regards to the settings. If I'm not in the lobby before you begin play, I will still expect copies of game saves atleast every 5 turns. Saves may be posted to soulless123@aol.com. They may be sent in bulk after the game and I will review and discredit anyone seen to be using any bugs/cheats/tricks. Whoever posts me the save games, please do not send over 2 meg of files in one email. Try to zip them up in batches if you can. And make sure all saves are clearly labelled throughout game please, in order to make reviewing the game a manageable task.
I have already voiced my opinion in regards to game settings and no tech gifting. This makes it no different to a 1 v 1 v 1 game. It does not make a true 2 v 1 game as Paul has proposed.....You say you have the skills to do it anyway Paul, why not allow the tech then?

Goodluck people's.

	26-05-2001 21:36									#28
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Thanks a lot Fuzzball. Your efforts and comments are much appreciated. I will, most likely, be hosting the game, so I will do as you say and save every 5th turn -- 0, 5, 10, 15, etc.

	26-05-2001 23:25									#29
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3 settlers...
100 gold
regular map my preferences
OR
5 Settlers
5000gold
large map
tech trading

either way no speed cities please - I would panic!LOL

	26-05-2001 23:44									#30
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oh I am 58 on gameleague now quinns!