17-03-2003 06:20									#421
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Hi, this is my first post at Apolyton.

I didn't read the whole thread, but I did read the last page, and it appears that I should remain on topic (or at least not go into religous issues)

But I wanted to comment on this point before asking my "On-Topic" question.

quote: Originally posted by Meshelic No you are thinking of the Cannanites, the Hebrew exodus from Egypt brought them to a land of giants (literally it's recorded these people were on average 7 feet tall and some were recorded at 13 feet, hence the David and Goliath story). The palestinians never existed until the British mandate of Palestine. Basically a made up word. Now it's a household name.

The Canaanites refers to two different groups who lived in this region: The Phillistines and the Phoenicians.

The Phillistines are the ones mentioned in the Bible who the Israelites fought. The other was known as the Canaanites until 1200 BC. They became known as the Phoenicians (phoinos is Greek for red, the color of the dye they traded).

Rome did call "the land of Canaan" Palestine (after the Phillistines).

Anyway, on to my "On-topic" question.

Does anyone have an idea for a "Non-Modern" Unique Unit for Israel?

Thanks.

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Louis XXIV
CDG Foreign Advisor.

	17-03-2003 19:37									#422
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Hi Louis, so you are from the CDG? Sorry, it's a bit off-topic, but
what is your foreign policy towards us Apolytionians in the ISDG?

	18-03-2003 03:04									#423
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I'm hoping for a nice productive trade agreement that will help us both advance quickly into the Medieval Age (although most sites have their UU's then, I want to get there before we have to face units like Fanatikou's Riders or the German Team's Ansar Warriors).

Since we have a Trade Advisor who decides all the trades and an Ambassador who will be our sites "mouthpiece" and do all the site-to-site discussions, there really isn't much I do.
But I'm hoping we can sit back and relax for a little while without having to worry about dangers around us.

Don't want to get into more detail in case someone who plays for another site besides our two can use this for some kind of advantage (Not sure what, though)

Hope that helps (sort of)

Last edited by Louis XXIV on 18-03-2003 at 05:43

	18-03-2003 04:01									#424
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I understand your concerns about spies. But don't worry.
I could perhaps become a diplomat if I got time for it, but you can trust anyone you see wearing an A-badge next to the avatar. They are in that game, on our side. So just write a PM if you need another channel into Apolytonia , it can often be lucrative to use more than the one official (the political loaded) channel.

	18-03-2003 21:18									#425
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Its gonna be pretty hard to avoid the off topic BS
but i'll try anyway

Traits:

defintly religious, judaism has constructed the basis to all monothestic religion.IMHO that more important than creating an empire in mexico that later will be overrun by ONE spanish battalion and some good old spanish wits.
second, militaristic- like it or not when you fight 8-9 wars in 55 years and even more in the anceint era.the society and its behavior and value system changes and differs from non-militaristic civilizations anybody who lives in israel knows how much important is the army(there is a 3 years mandatory service) and to most israelies its a natrual thing that the army should be strong and powerfull. besides in a local view israel is the only military super power around peroid. with the US army aid or not.
its a known fact that every army(army not a guerilla organisation, 2 completely diffrent things) dared to cross the isreali border or to put massive amount of troops with the intent to attack(6days war) regert it later

UU:

Merkava(MK4), israel was the local punch bag in the
ancient era creating a slingshot or a prophet UU is kind of funny if not sad
i think a 24\20\3 should do fine since the MK4 as all MK is superior in its armour and hull builiding

Leader:

either ben gorion or mencham begin.

	19-03-2003 00:42									#426
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24/20/3 would be way too overpowered. the defence is even higher than that of the mechanised infantry. it would be the most powerful unit of the whole game, both defence and offense

and 4 defence points more than the non-unique unit is too much. 24|18|3 or 26|16|3 would be more balanced. maybe even same as MA (24|16|3) but with additional 0-range bombard (very strong against first attack, but after 2nd unit attacking, no additional defence)

	19-03-2003 01:03									#427
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The Merkava should also have self-destruction capabilities.

	19-03-2003 01:25									#428
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does anyone know the frequency for triggering the self destruction?

	19-03-2003 01:44									#429
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Freq: 85.2640230 Hz Try it!
Same as a the el. fuse on a suicide bomb.

	19-03-2003 02:09									#430
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by sabrewolf
24/20/3 would be way too overpowered. the defence is even higher than that of the mechanised infantry. it would be the most powerful unit of the whole game, both defence and offense

oh yeah, good point

	19-03-2003 17:36									#431
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nuclear 99/0/16?

but in my game i changes it 66/33/16... HELIKOPTER?!
it still too powered?

	19-03-2003 19:50									#432
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As for that second trait

I suppose Militaristic does make sense.

I would have thought them to be Religious, Industrious, though.

The sling was actually used in many armies, almost as common as Javelins or Bows. We tend to only learn about the latter, though.

I guess they would have been the "punching bags" in the Ancient era, so the Merkava might be the best unit.

Although, no matter what stats you give it, people would play Israel for its traits. Just like the F15, the game is decided by then for most people. It would definetly be better than the F15, because land warfare is just more effective.

And a self destruct option would be an added bonus

	21-03-2003 08:17									#433
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Depending on whether it was added as the Hebrew civilization, or as a more modern Israel, the UU would either be an ancient unit, such as a slinger, or a modern unit, perhaps an air unit?

Traits would be Religious and....hm. I wouldn't say Militaristic - some of you have said this, but I disagree. I would go with Commercial.

	22-03-2003 14:33									#434
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quote: The Merkava should also have self-destruction capabilities.

Welcome, Louis. If you intend on staying, please visit our OT community.

	22-03-2003 16:11									#435
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quote: but in my game i changes it 66/33/16... HELIKOPTER?! it still too powered?

quote: Welcome, Louis. If you intend on staying, please visit our OT community.

	22-03-2003 16:13									#436
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Good job from Generalissimo.

	22-03-2003 16:15									#437
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quote: I suppose Militaristic does make sense. I would have thought them to be Religious, Industrious, though.

Yep, Mil / Ind is what I would give them, or even Rel / Ind would be pretty nice.

	22-03-2003 21:08									#438
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Welcome, Louis. If you intend on staying, please visit our OT community.

Not a bad idea.

	04-04-2003 01:15									#439
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Oh my! Look at Azazel... I'm scared.

*puffing hard*

	04-04-2003 04:41									#440
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quote: Originally posted by Tuomerehu Yep, Mil / Ind is what I would give them, or even Rel / Ind would be pretty nice.

commercial or scientific would be a better trait i think...

	04-04-2003 18:48									#441
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hehehe
i knew this thread wont fade away that easily