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SIV
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Yes, I'd love to play Israel civ.
It HAS been a dominant force in the middle-east (so we're a bit small at the moment).
We should have lots of other civs
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Coracle
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I prefer a Palestinian civ.
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Sheik
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I have made in my mod and will be releasing soon. I have added about eight civs to my game so far.
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Sheik
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Kingof the Apes is right. Why should the Palestinians be added? They are terrorists who should never have a country and hopefully never will.
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XarXo
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of the "I agree"
Jul 2000
time: 05:22
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Originally posted by Sheik
Kingof the Apes is right. Why should the Palestinians be added? They are terrorists who should never have a country and hopefully never will. |
Are you seriously saying this?  I can't believe that someone could say that  . Palestinias where before than modern Israel, remember, they had about 800 years to develop themselves (USA has aprox 300  ).
About if palestinians are the same as jordanians, simply not. The name of the border state "Jordania" means the Jordan as the middle point between the old Inner Jordania (Cisjordania) and the Outer Jordania (where is Amman, the capitol). Jordania are beduins, palestinians are derived from ancient mameluks (just an example: like russia and ukrania or germany and austria, different "tribes", common/similar culture).
The Old Palestine is just the area between Inner Jordania and the mediterranean sea. Look that now palestinians claim for themselves two territories: Gaza and Cisjordania, TERRITORIES THAT NEVER WERE IN THE OLD PALESTINE, IN FACT, EGYPT AND JORDANIA "DONED" THE ACTUAL PALESTINE, so say "terrorist" to a people that WANTS and OWN STATE in territories THAT NEVER where included in the ORIGINAL USA/OCCIDENTAL GIFT to the hebrew, IMHO, is *QUITE* AN ERROR.
And THIS IS WHY in the UE we think that Sharon doesn't have "enough arguments", ok? Thanks. 
Last edited by XarXo on 02-10-2002 at 05:24
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XarXo
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of the "I agree"
Jul 2000
time: 05:22
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Sorry, but IMHO NOT. Israelians are (as I said twice before, one in this thread) similar to gypsies. Their are like the rich Medici Family of the USA, and I can't imagine a Medici Family civ.
Just an example: Actually, there are more catalans/valencians than israelis (more than the double of the inhabitants that live in Israel), and the Crown of Aragon controlled by far a bigger territory than Israel in all the history. So, please, accept that an actual war is THE SAME as an older war, like Yugoslavia, and we don't have Serbians, Croatians and Bosnians in Civ III, yes?
By the same reason, I don't consider necessary a Palestinian/Mameluk civ.
But Israel is a civ, I don't say that it isn't one! 
GhengisFarb is making a hebrew leader, he is a 3D genius, so be patient . It will be the same or better than a Firaxis design.
Last edited by XarXo on 02-10-2002 at 05:22
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Cidifer
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Saying Isreal should have a civ is kind of dumb, but not entirly.
1st of all Palistine wasn't a country when Jewish people came there during and after WWII it was still a British mandate, it's similar to India and Pakistan arguing over Kashmir (ok I think I probably have a bunch of spelling errors) which is why, as usual, the British are to blame. When their empire started crumbling they divided up the old territories in really strang manners rather then finding out what the people living thier wanted and have left conflict in many places tp this day.
Now onto why Isreal shouldn't be a Civ, they've been around for like 50 years and aren't a great power in the world like most of the other civs are or were at one point. Like many people have pointed out it would make much more sense to have the Hebrews. Another problem with Isreal is finding a leader who people wont think of something to ***** about (though they do anyway just not as much). Yet another reason is that Isreal doesn't have a significant navy or military (though they are well trained and experienced), they only hav somethig like 40,000 in the army and that's while at war and recruiting everyone. While that's bigger then the countries around them it's not really a world power. They also don't have a very big population.
Now I'm not knocking Isreal, but I think that it's just not a civ that would work well in this game, and if there's a civ that should represent Jewish people it's probably the Hebrews.
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Kingof the Apes
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Call me KOTA
Feb 2002
time: 21:22
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Originally posted by Cidifer
which is why, as usual, the British are to blame. |
pff, it's the French's fault
/*back on topic*/
True, the army of Isreal is not huge, but it has prevailed over several other countries that are both larger and have more personnel. (I am not sure, but I believe that Isreal has been undefeated in all of it's wars.) But military accomplishments are not the most significant part of this civilization.
The Hebrews have had huge cultural impacts on the world. Islam and Christianity, the 2 biggest religions in the world, both have roots in Judaism. I believe it is the Hebrews who first came up with the concept of 'monotheism'.
While Hebrews/Israelis can be compared to Gypsys, the comparison is not very accurate. True, it has not had a nation for a long time, and before that their homeland was conquered for a very long time before that. The Hebrew cultural effect on the world also can in no way be compared to the cultural effect of Gypsys.
Cidifer, in response to your observation on all the existing civs in Civ3 being a great power at some point, I never heard of the Aztecs, Iroquois, Zulus or Koreans dominating the world landscape.
GhengisFarb, I'm looking forward to your leaderhead.
(as long as it's not Sharon in a thong )
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23-09-2002 02:16
I wan't Israel civ!!!
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