23-09-2002 05:36									#1
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http://www.classicgaming.com/mom/he...t/hero0034.html for a refresher.

Mine was Warrax.... ooh armor piercing lightning.

	23-09-2002 05:46									#2
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I don't see how you can pick anyone but Torin. Magic immunity and missiles immunity flat-out rules!

	23-09-2002 05:48									#3
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yah, but, life magic....eeewww!

	23-09-2002 10:39									#4
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I don't very much like those champs, which require certain spell books (Elana, Mortu, Ravashack and Roland)...

I think the best champ is Allora the Elven Archer. The best archer there is. Very cool, very deadly

	23-09-2002 11:14									#5
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I think my ideal 6 champions that I would gather would be Warrax, Allora, Mortu, death Stryke, Mystic X maybe, and pehaps the draconian, or Shin Bo, just cuz I love ninjas.

	27-09-2002 06:26									#6
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Torin.
(I also like any Noble dudes)

	27-09-2002 07:59									#7
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Mystic X, just because he is also in MOO 2.

	01-10-2002 04:21									#8
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I dislike Roland and Sir Harold - too clean cut, to use a PC term.

Somehow DeathStryke has always struck me as a bland thug, but I'd rather have him on my team I suppose.

	01-10-2002 23:36									#9
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Warrax and Elana get the nod. Torin isn't really a champion... it's not like you can summon him with the summon champion spell.

	02-10-2002 02:42									#10
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Besides, by the time you get to Torin, he is pretty much unneccesary.

	02-10-2002 14:45									#11
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...unless you pick 11 Life books....

	03-10-2002 04:09									#12
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quote: Originally posted by MariOne ...unless you pick 11 Life books....

But if you get him that early, sometimes his mana upkeep is to steep. When you can pay the upkeep, a lot of times he is, again, unneccesary.

	03-10-2002 15:19									#13
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Indeed, without actually forcing myself into a "house rule", the same I almost never played "monomagic" games, don't even mention 11-books games.
I just gave them another try after reading this thread.

When you pick 11 books, you get something like 16 powerbase from the start (IIRC 1*book + 5 for the fortress), eventually a couple more if you pick HighElfs (only arcane plane power-generating race, IIRC).
Always offhand, Torin mana maintenance costs 12 mana per turn.
This means, getting Torin early means you're devoted to a low-mana game, at least in the beginning.
This means low-research-speed, slow-skill-increase, etc...
Although the 11 books in a single magic (Life) balance those handicaps with their discount bonuses in research and casting costs.

Thus, it boils down to defining what "too" in "too steep" means to you.
It's a weigh between the benefits you get from using Torin early, and the aforementioned tradeoff.

You may have different opinions on it, I tested it and at first look I didn't find it particularly easy or interesting myself, but I won't dismiss it so easily.

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And torin can capture weak nodes right away, so you can send guardian spirits to the nodes to get more mana

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Aerie The Illusionist - although only in the promising category, I like the look of her.

	04-10-2002 01:18									#16
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Uhm, Arie is supposed to be a him. Still, whatever turns you on!

	04-10-2002 14:55									#17
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quote: Originally posted by moomin Uhm, Arie is "supposed" to be a him.

....actually, what do you base that supposition upon?
To my recollection, there is no point inside the game online or printed documentation making reference to Heroes genders, other when that's implicit in their names (Witch, Amazon, Priestess, Huntress...) or blatantly evident from their portraits.

Now, I'm not a native english, but I figure that the female name for Illusionist is Illusionist as well.
Aerie is a fantasy name, I frankly wound't dismiss both interpretations, as a male or as a female name.
And the picture... well, the face is that of a child... I figure that a girl with short hair might well look that way... Although it's true that for other female characters MoM artists clearly used feminine features like long hair, earrings and the like...

I thought it was a him.
But on the MoM Heroes page (linked at thread top) that author refers to Aerie as a "her"...
I was surprised, but not upset, I thought it could be seen as a childish young woman as well.

Or do you have some more factual evidence, moomin?

	05-10-2002 04:41									#18
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My old venerable MoM manual seems to think of it as a him. Perhaps a Prophet Dawn precursor, our Aerie?

	05-10-2002 06:10									#19
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I seem to remember reading in the manual it was a him too. If you ogo to that website you will see the webmaster embellishes a little bit. I know alot of what is written there is from his own imagination.

	06-10-2002 16:29									#20
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I don't mean to be nitpicking, but...

quote: Originally posted by MariOne To my recollection, there is no point inside the game online or printed documentation making reference to Heroes genders...

Now, dumped my "recollection", and actually parsed the manual (best game manual ever, of those I read).

I still stand that NO point in the manual NOR the appendixes makes ANY kind of reference to Heroes names or genders.
They're generically described as a category, not as Individuals.
Torin himself is referenced as "The Chosen" but "Torin" name itself is never printed...

I have the original UK manual ©1994 by Microprose, 160 pages...

quote: Moomin: My old venerable MoM manual seems to think of it as a him.

Can you still point me to the page or at least Chapter/Paragraph where this happens, or do you....

quote: NeOmega: I seem to remember reading in the manual it was a him too

...just have the 2impression" it was like it, same as NeOmega?

Anyway, I have no problem with Aerie being a him, that would be my choice too should I "vote" .
And I know that the linked Heroes site reports some made-up blurbs and some undocumented features (like the Fame effects?)

Yet, YOU picked on Tonic about Aerie's gender, and I just wanted to point out that you have no more factual ground than him to assert it's an "him" rather than a "her"...

Here we are, discussing about MoM Heroes's sex, like with angels it should be pretty moot, ain't it?

	06-10-2002 16:49									#21
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I myself always considered Aerie a "she". That is why I seem to remember reading somewhere Aerie was a he, because I was shocked and confused, and questioning my sexualty. :P

	07-10-2002 06:58									#22
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Torin becomes overwhelmingly powerful if you get him from the start of the game. There is no question that he is worth playing, except that it becomes too easy.
...and I'm not really that good a MoM player.

	07-10-2002 14:10									#23
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quote: Originally posted by NeOmega yah, but, life magic....eeewww!

Any champion becomes unstoppable if you have them from eaarly on.... missile immunity and magic immunity.... that's why I always chose the artificer retort... amke a cloak, or shield!

	08-10-2002 05:23									#24
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I'm just trying my first game as artificer.
Shall take note of that.

	24-10-2002 16:52									#25
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I like the dude in a turban who is an archer. He usually comes fairly early when I play. I like to maximize my heroes by going the artificer route, and dressing him up with unbelievably powerful arms and armor, invisible, flying and maximal boni for his weapon. He also comes with his own money, which is nice. I like to get Allana too, but he is the one that tends to break open the game for me.

	24-10-2002 22:32									#26
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yah, the dervish is helpful because of his nobility trait, which helps alot early in the game.

	28-10-2002 04:06									#27
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Have to change my vote from Torin to Malleus. He has been big in my last 3 games and he's my avatar, of course.

	28-10-2002 04:36									#28
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Malleus all the way. He's not a champ, but he kicks but like no one except for Torin and Warrax. Both of wich come much, much later in the game unless you play eleven life books.

	04-12-2002 12:37									#29
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Hmm...

The thread title says "favorite" champion (not "best").

So, I voted for Allora (the Elven Archer).

Equiped with a nice bow, she is deadly accurate. Shoots from a distance, and has some magic spells. Also she's a pathfinder (IIRC). She is the perfect marksman in the game.

	06-02-2003 16:26									#30
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Of course it's Warrax. I only researched this hero-spell as soon as possible to get him. He is cool and strong. But also Mortu the Deathknight.

I like this bad guys, I always played with Chaos and Death.

Don't like this pitiful Live and Nature suckers