26-09-2002 03:53									#1
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I dont see why my generation's tax dollars should go to the baby boomers.

Let's see all that they have done for me...

1) Have drugs spread throught America... these hippie baby boomers just NEEDED to smoke that weed and drop that acid. So now my neighbourhood got drug dealers and people ****ing up their lives cause they want to get high

2) Make pre-marital sex common... they just couldn't control themselves and now we got single mother after single mother... fourteen year old fathers... children being beaten by their mothers because they look like their dead-beat fathers...

3) Make divorces more common... Where's daddy? the children ask, Why don't you love him anymore? Is it because of me?

4) Destroy the community... nobody cares about anyone no more. Everyone does their own thing (BE DIFFERENT, the hippies shouted) and there's no church establishment to unite and guide people

5) Make college inaccessible to the poor... why is it that most Ivy League schools (and plenty of middle range ones) lack Army ROTC programs, a program that largely pays for college in exchange for Reservist duty? Guess what pampered students from the suburbs demanded colleges get rid of because they hated the military...

I say let the old baby boomers starve to death... they have only caused me and millions of Americans suffering and grief...




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	26-09-2002 04:13									#2
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You'll pay.

	26-09-2002 04:15									#3
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Screw off, Albert.
Other than that, we probably won't.

	26-09-2002 04:20									#4
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That's it Albert always blame somebody else.....

	26-09-2002 04:28									#5
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Exactly. Whine, whimper, and moan. His best 3 subjects in school.

	26-09-2002 06:13									#6
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Explain to me how the baby boomers are not to blame for today? Remember that little thing called the Sixties? The hippies? The revolting students? The New Left? Everything I mentioned ar effects of them...

	26-09-2002 06:22									#7
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That's our ALbert alright. He's never scared of controversary, and you got to admit he has started some entertaining fights. And he never seems to have a problem with holding himself on high and condmening various group for being morally inferior to his highness.

Just one thought before you deem an entire age group to be worthy of death by Starvation, Albert. Many of the baby boomer generation now have been religious teachers and Christian fundamentalists.

	26-09-2002 06:23									#8
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Baby boomers need to freakin die already. Put away there harleys and get those little motor-scooters. There not 18 anymore christ! There 40 and 50 years old.

Here's is a generation to ***** to go to war. And a generation that brought you flower-power and LSD. A generation that failed to live up to the greatest generation...the ones who built this nation.

I agree they suck. But IMO you cant deny them social security. That would suck. And I would never deny any person Social Security who needs it.

	26-09-2002 06:32									#9
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I hope that my generation will turn out more like our grandparents and less like our parents. I don't agree with much of what Albert said, but the Baby Boomers do suck ass...

	26-09-2002 06:37									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer Explain to me how the baby boomers are not to blame for today?

You're to blame for you're own ****, like everyone else is to blame for their own. Nobody is holding a gun to anyone's head telling them to smoke dope, get knocked up, post on Apolyton, or anything else. You don't like your life? Do something about it. You don't like someone else's life? It ain't yours to live anyhow.

quote: Remember that little thing called the Sixties?

It ended 32 years ago. Better look closer to home for excuses.

quote: The hippies?

They're extinct.

quote: The revolting students?

How dare they express opinions not approved by the government.

quote: The New Left?

Since replaced by 50 million other ideological labels. So what?

quote: Everything I mentioned ar effects of them...

You might want to undiscombobulate yourself on the differences between cause and effect.

Like I said, if you don't like your life, do something about it. If you don't like other people's lives, it ain't your business.

	26-09-2002 06:41									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer I dont see why my generation's tax dollars should go to the baby boomers.

Your generation's tax dollars? WTF, aren't you 16 or something? That tax bite from the summer job at Mickey D's just killin' you?

Their tax dollars paid and is paying into Social Security and a lot of other government **** too - you're still a sponge. So who are you to say anything about taxes paid by other people?

	26-09-2002 06:43									#12
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Yall think i'm whining? How in god's name am I whining? For example, explain to me why my father is a dead-beat and I haven't seen him in two years... how is that my fault? It's the fault of all the ****ing baby boomers saying it's alright for him to abandon his children.

	26-09-2002 06:44									#13
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Is it my boy's fault that his father beat his mom? Is it one of my female friend's fault her mother is in rehab for drug use and her brother's dealing?

	26-09-2002 06:47									#14
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Your last post is the epitomy of whining.

And if your daddy don't show up or whatever else is your issue of the day, that's on his back, and his alone, dumbass. It's called being an adult. He's responsible for his conduct, you're responsible for your conduct, see a pattern here?



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	26-09-2002 06:48									#15
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Speer do you ever get laid? Do you know any girls? I cant stand reading your posts. I couldnt imagine being in the same room.

	26-09-2002 06:53									#16
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He's responsible for his conduct, you're responsible for your conduct

You know god damn this is not true... he should be responsible but he's not... people should be but they're not... that whole thing in the sixties with the sex and drugs mixed in with an attitude of "Do what feels good" destroyed the whole idea of people being responsible for their actions.

And once this pattern starts, it's a slippery slope. Baby boomers are irresponsible and make it cool or right or whatever to be irresponsible so the next generation is irresponsible because they know nothing else (and suddenly there's sex and drugs everywhere) and so on. Eventually, there's a point where you can't truly blame someone for their wrongs without going back to the source that made the wrongs the right behaviour.


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	26-09-2002 07:06									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer He's responsible for his conduct, you're responsible for your conduct You know god damn this is not true...

Are you deliberately obtuse, or just stupid?

"responsible for his conduct" doesn't mean he is or isn't what you or anyone else thinks of as "responsible" or "irresponsible"

It means that he, and he alone, makes his choices, and has nobody else to blame.

Just like you have nobody else to blame for the **** you do, Mr. high and mighty "starve 'em all because it's that whole generation's fault my daddy don't wuv me."

You're just looking for an excuse to blame someone else, and the more vague, the better. The funny thing is you sound like your stereotypical meta-hippie creation blaming "the establishment."



Gee, internal consistency not your forte?

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You're welcome. Try being a better target, though. You're too easy.

	26-09-2002 07:24									#18
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oh my god...

Stick a person into a bad environment... have him know nothing about how he's supposed to act. No one teaches him the right moral behaviour. His parents are broken up. His mom does drugs. His father is a deadbeat or in jail. Have this child go out into a world where nearly everybody has the same basic situation. Surround them with drugs and whatever the **** else. If this child does bad is he to blame?

I would blame the people who made this situation in the first place as the ultimate sinners (ie- the baby boomers)

	26-09-2002 08:18									#19
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I don't know any hippies who would advocate a father leaving his family "because it feels good."

"2) Make pre-marital sex common... they just couldn't control themselves and now we got single mother after single mother... fourteen year old fathers... children being beaten by their mothers because they look like their dead-beat fathers... "
Condoms in various forms have been around since Ancient Egypt, IIRC, in different organic forms… I believe that premarital sex and adultery has been a pretty common occurunce throughout history.

	26-09-2002 08:21									#20
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Why do you both bother argue with spear? I can remember last summer he made a crapload of threads about this same stuff.

He probably fights with girls on the internet about this stuff. aye...crap. Time for me to go for awhile.

	26-09-2002 08:25									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer Eventually, there's a point where you can't truly blame someone for their wrongs without going back to the source that made the wrongs the right behaviour. thanks

You mean I can blame rap music on the baby boomers?????


DAMN THEM!!!!!!!!!!

	26-09-2002 08:31									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer If this child does bad is he to blame?

Yes. Society can give somebody the tools to turn themself into a rotten person, but it's ultimately the individual's choice and the individual's responsibility.

quote: I would blame the people who made this situation in the first place as the ultimate sinners

Of course you would, god forbid that somebody might actually be responsible for their own actions. Hell, before you know it, you might have to take responsibility for your actions! We can't have that, now can we? Blame the Man instead.

You're just a proponent of the very same entitlement mentality that you're projecting onto the baby boomers. If society doesn't hand you everything on a silver platter, then rather than grab the bull by the horns and actually do something to improve your situation you instead sit around and whine about how much you're being picked on. You focus so much on your own supposed rights and entitlements that you completely ignore your responsibilities.

	26-09-2002 09:06									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer I would blame the people who made this situation in the first place as the ultimate sinners (ie- the baby boomers)

About 99 % of the "baby boomers" I know take responsibility for their actions. Blame your father, not people who have done it right. Just because your father may be bad based on your claims, doesn't provide the proof that all our bad.

In every era there are people who don't except responsibility... And from listening to you whine about how it's not your fault, I'm sure you will probably be one of them in the current era

Stop trying to lay the blame else where. YOU are responsible for YOU. Be a real man and deal with your own situation. I've seen people from worse situations than you who have grown up to be successful... why can't you do the same?

	26-09-2002 09:10									#24
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Why will Boomers get Social Security? For one very simple reason, their kids don't want their parents to be poor and have to eat cat food. Any politician who votes against increasing SSN will be tossed out of office without delay.

The Boomers are not the most selfish generation that has ever existed. That label is always reserved for the youngest generation. Ten years ago it was Generation X, now it's Generation Y (lazy bastards can't even come up with an original name ).

	26-09-2002 09:17									#25
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quote: Why will Boomers get Social Security? For one very simple reason, their kids don't want their parents to be poor and have to eat cat food.

Why don't the kids pay for their parents food then? Why do we need a massive, wasteful bureaucracy to do something that is much more easily done by individuals?

I'm not supporting Speer, BTW. Please don't get that idea...

	26-09-2002 09:18									#26
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I've spent the last 25 years paying social security taxes to keep my parents generation getting paid. I've put in more money then I will ever see back.

And guess what Albert... your turn is coming, and your social security taxes will be turned over to my generation... Get used to it... and if you're lucky, maybe there will be some money left in the system when you get to be that age...

	26-09-2002 09:20									#27
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Like they always have, baby boomers will get whatever they damn well want as long as they can shuffle down to a ballot box.

They are the largest bloc of voters in most Western countries.

We are already seeing much more benefits flowing to senior citizens and away from families and young people because of the voting power of boomers.

As an Xer, that has always annoyed me.

I think the sixties were crap

	26-09-2002 09:26									#28
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You mean that there isn't a Pepsi Generation?

Drake - I've paid for social security (well, whatever ~10,000 gross over 4 years would net me) so even if I don't make any more money in the US I'll still get an extremely small amount in Soc. Security. The problem is, in reality we're paying for the retiring generation's retirement pension, when all it would've taken is for the US government to wisely invest the money they were getting from the future benificiarys to make this a moot point. Don't forget, the Baby Boomers paid theirs, and supported their parents. The only generation we could blame this on would be the first one that retired after Soc. Security was started, but I doubt that there was less money coming into the system as there was going out to retirees.

	26-09-2002 09:32									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: Why will Boomers get Social Security? For one very simple reason, their kids don't want their parents to be poor and have to eat cat food. Why don't the kids pay for their parents food then? Why do we need a massive, wasteful bureaucracy to do something that is much more easily done by individuals?

Do you think that Social Security just came outta nowhere? That one day a beknigheted FDR said, you know, we really outta give something to the old folks? No, there was a serious problem, a huge percentage of the nation's elderly were living in severe poverty. Social Security is the most successful anti-poverty program the government has. Yeah, it would be nice if kids and grand kids took care of their parents and grandparents, but apparently they weren't.

Security in old age, after you've spent your life building and running the country and raising the future generations isn't that big a burden. Anyone who even thinks of doing away with Social Security is an evil, rotten, spoiled, selfish brat.

	26-09-2002 09:33									#30
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I just feel that Social Security is an unnecessary program that would be a minor inconvenience if if actually worked, but is a major problem for my generation due to the horrible mismanagement that has rendered it essentially broken.

I'd like to think that all the money I'm paying into SS would somehow be repayed to me at some later date, but I don't see that happening anymore and I'm a little pissed about that...