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I didn't invent this title so you all can rag on this guy from Britain if you want:

Shame On You American-Hating Liberals !
London Daily Mirror | 9/27/02 | Tony Parsons



ONE year ago, the world witnessed a unique kind of broadcasting - the mass murder of thousands, live on television. As a lesson in the pitiless cruelty of the human race, September 11 was up there with Pol Pot's mountain of skulls in Cambodia, or the skeletal bodies stacked like garbage in the Nazi concentration camps.

An unspeakable act so cruel, so calculated and so utterly merciless that surely the world could agree on one thing - nobody deserves this fate. Surely there could be consensus: the victims were truly innocent, the perpetrators truly evil. But to the world's eternal shame, 9/11 is increasingly seen as America's come uppance. Incredibly, anti-Americanism has increased over the last year.

There has always been a simmering resentment to the USA in this country - too loud, too rich, too full of themselves and so much happier than Europeans - but it has become an epidemic. And it seems incredible to me. More than that, it turns my stomach.

America is this country's greatest friend and our staunchest ally. We are bonded to the US by culture, language and blood. A little over half a century ago, around half a million Americans died for our freedoms, as well as their own. Have we forgotten so soon?

And exactly a year ago, thousands of ordinary men, women and children -not just Americans, but from dozens of countries - were butchered by a small group of religious fanatics. Are we so quick to betray them? What touched the heart about those who died in the twin towers and on the planes was that we recognized them. Young fathers and mothers somebody's son and somebody's daughter, husbands and wives. And children. Some unborn. And these people brought it on themselves? And their nation is to blame or their meticulously planned slaughter?

These days you don't have to be some dust-encrusted nut job in Kabul or Karachi or Finsbury Park to see America as the Great Satan.The anti-American alliance is made up of self-loathing liberals who blame the Americans for every ill in the Third World, and conservatives suffering from power-envy, bitter that the world's only superpower can do what it likes without having to ask permission.

The truth is that America has behaved with enormous restraint since September 11. Remember, remember. Remember the gut-wrenching tapes of weeping men phoning their wives to say,"I love you," before they were burned alive. Remember those people leaping to their deaths from the top of burning skyscrapers. Remember the hundreds of firemen buried alive. Remember the smiling face of that beautiful little girl who was on one of the planes with her mum.Remember, remember - and realize that America has never retaliated for 9/11 in anything like the way it could have.

So a few al-Qaeda tourists got locked without a trial in Camp X-ray? Pass the Kleenex. So some Afghan wedding receptions were shot up after they merrily fired their semiautomatics in a sky full of American planes? A shame, but maybe next time they should stick to confetti.

AMERICA could have turned a large chunk of the world into a parking lot. That it didn't is a sign of strength. American voices are already being raised against attacking Iraq - that's what a democracy is for. How many in the Islamic world will have a minute's silence for the slaughtered innocents of 9/11? How many Islamic leaders will have the guts to say that the mass murder of 9/11 was an abomination?

When the news of 9/11 broke on the West Bank, those freedom-loving Palestinians were dancing in the street. America watched all of that - and didn't push the button. We should thank the stars that America is the most powerful nation in the world. I still find it incredible that 9/11 did not provoke all-out war. Not a "war on terrorism". A real war. The fundamentalist dudes are talking about "opening the gates of hell", if America attacks Iraq. Well, America could have opened the gates of hell like you wouldn't believe.

The US is the most militarily powerful nation that ever strode the face of the earth. The campaign in Afghanistan may have been less than perfect and the planned war on Iraq may be misconceived. But don't blame America for not bringing peace and light to these wretched countries. How many democracies are there in the Middle East, or in the Muslim world? You can count them on the fingers of one hand - assuming you haven't had any chopped off for minor shoplifting.

I love America, yet America is hated. I guess that makes me Bush's poodle. But I would rather be a dog in New York City than a Prince in Riyadh. Above all, America is hated because it is what every country wants to be - rich, free, strong, open, optimistic. Not ground down by the past, or religion, or some caste system. America is the best friend this country ever had and we should start remembering that.

Or do you really think the USA is the root of all evil? Tell it to the loved ones of the men and women who leaped to their death from the burning towers. Tell it to the nursing mothers whose husbands died on one of the hijacked planes, or were ripped apart in a collapsing skyscraper. And tell it to the hundreds of young widows whose husbands worked for the New York Fire Department.

To our shame, George Bush gets a worse press than Saddam Hussein. Once we were told that Saddam gassed the Kurds, tortured his own people and set up rape-camps in Kuwait. Now we are told he likes Quality Street. Save me the orange centre, oh mighty one!

Remember, remember, September 11. One of the greatest atrocities in human history was committed against America.

No, do more than remember. NEVER FORGET.

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That's the best piece of satire I've ever read.

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I knew the point would go right past some of our more enlightened posters.

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You took it seriously?

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Daily Mirror.

Carry on.

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I especially loved this bit:

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So a few al-Qaeda tourists got locked without a trial in Camp X-ray? Pass the Kleenex. So some Afghan wedding receptions were shot up after they merrily fired their semiautomatics in a sky full of American planes? A shame, but maybe next time they should stick to confetti.

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Now they done it. Dem Muslim folques gone and hurt my feelings. Let's blast them Rockie

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Come on people, this is no joking matter. Furthermore, the man is right.

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Or the lack of perspective betrayed by this:

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One of the greatest atrocities in human history was committed against America


I can name a dozen worse incidents in the twentieth century alone. The author himself makes reference to a few of them.

See his ever-so-subtle needling at common attitudes/arguments?

The only alternative is to simply believe that he's a near-sighted bigot (as though the Daily Mirror would employ such a person )

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Daily Mirror.

Carry on.


I was thinking Daily Mail

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You can hardly argue with one of the greatest atrocities...

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Oh, erm, do remind me, who owns Mirror Group again?

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This is the same paper that ran headlines of Bush as leader of a rogue nation that was a threat to world peace whilst all the other papers ran pro-American headlines.

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You can hardly argue with one of the greatest atrocities...


Yes I can. It was an atrocity...and a large one, but not among the top 100...or maybe even 1000 in all of human history.

Need I remind you how many times the phrase "put its inhabitants to sword" appears in the average history book?

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Seems like winston doesn't get the joke...

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You can hardly argue with one of the greatest atrocities...


Oh come on, in terms of numbers, it pales when compared to the deaths of Stalinist USSR, of Cambodia, of Uganda, of Nazi Germany, of Maoist China, of Rwanda, of Kurdistan, of Chechnya. Do I need to go on?

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Depends on the context. The motives and the way it was carried out against unsuspecting civilians merits the wording he used IMO.

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Seems like winston doesn't get the joke...


On the matter of 9/11? No sorry, don't get the joke.

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No, I think what you are looking for is that the act was commited against Americans. It is an atrocity, but many, many of these atrocities have happened in our time, just that it happened to the US where these things aren't meant to happen.

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Depends on the context. The motives and the way it was carried out against unsuspecting civilians merits the wording he used IMO.


Unlike those 800 000 goddamn militant Tutsi men, women and children, I suppose?

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Bunch of bastards they were. Deserved what they got.

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No, I think what you are looking for is that the act was commited against Americans. It is an atrocity, but many, many of these atrocities have happened in our time, just that it happened to the US where these things aren't meant to happen.


Not so. The trivializing of the attacks these days just makes me wonder what can be explained by some people's ultra short attention span and what must be credited to ulterior motives.

The trivializing is mostly done by people who've always hated the US.

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KH, he said it was one of the worst, not the worst. Stop twisting it around.

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Can't you just see the damn evil look on those faces? Lucky the Hutus managed to defend themselves in time.

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So beacuse there was a gruesome genocide in Rwanda, the 9/11 attacks weren't atrocious?

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KH, he said it was one of the worst, not the worst. Stop twisting it around.


It's not one of the worst, unless you either

a) Count the top 1000 as all "one of the worst"

b) Count some people's lives for more than others

What happened in New York etc. disgusted me. But I won't be a stupid git and run after my own tail whining about how it was something unprecedented in all of history...

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You are in an evocatively exuberant mood today Frogger.

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So beacuse there was a gruesome genocide in Rwanda, the 9/11 attacks weren't atrocious?


If they'd said "one of the worst atrocities of the last decade"...or even 50 years, I'd be inclined to agree. On that list, it probably comes in 10 or twenty spots down from the biggies of Cambodia, Rwanda etc.

Until then, it's an overreaction, chicken little-ish type thing.

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While we are reviewing history, why doesn't someone post some of the responses of nations that suffered an attack like the US experienced on 9/11? America can be trusted as a superpower. Not only did she selectively target the military but now she is helping to rebuild the country that supported the attacks. Like the article says. Some people just have an irrational hatred for the United States that seems to guide their thoughts.

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Shut up, Frogger.

 
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