02-10-2002 23:13									#31
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quote: Clinton's approval ratings averaged about 30-40% in the US and Europe alike.

According to Time (I believe, could have been Newsweek or The Economist though, I'll look it up), Clinton's approval rating in Europe was a lot higher than Bush's.

	02-10-2002 23:14									#32
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quote: Also Marcus, you don't speak for other euros.

and you do? you don't even live here.

quote: Clinton/Gore broke the law in the 1996 elections... funding scandals... etc...

funding scandals? name one american politician that didn't have them.

	02-10-2002 23:14									#33
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Yeah, really, with all that Hollywood tail going though the White House you'd think the Pres could have gotten a quality mistress. I mean, JFK had Monroe ferchissake. The most powerful man in the world has a an example to set by banging the most beautiful women in the world.

	02-10-2002 23:15									#34
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	02-10-2002 23:19									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus No, you're wrong. A president isn't the moral leader of a nation. The Pope is a moral leader, imans and bishops are, but not politicians. Granted, a president shouldn't break the law, but having an affair is hardly breaking the law. And on top of that, there are dozens upon dozens of politicians that have or have had affairs. Hell, even boring old John Mayor had an affair!! If you really believe politicians should be saints, you're living in a dream world.

It doesnt take a saint to not get a blowjob from a woman who isnt your wife. Look at it this way. The president is the ultimate public servant, so really he works for the american people. If you caught your employee getting a blowjob when he should be working wouldnt you fire him?

	02-10-2002 23:21									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus and you do? you don't even live here.

Maybe for your backwards country you do speak for the majority... but not in my country, Spain.

quote: funding scandals? name one american politician that didn't have them.

Name one american politician where the scandals were so obvious.

	02-10-2002 23:25									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Clinton's approval ratings averaged about 30-40% in the US and Europe alike.

Are you THAT incredibly ignorant? Clinton had high aproval ratings most of his time in office. Often VERY high for not being at war. I guess that goes with you preposterous claim that Bush understands the economy. Well maybe he does understand that it has been going down the tubes.

	02-10-2002 23:26									#38
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Ethel with his pro-Clinton propaganda. Clinton didn't know how to run squat.

	02-10-2002 23:29									#39
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quote: Maybe for your backwards country you do speak for the majority... but not in my country, Spain.

sigh

not again please. we've been over this time and time again. Holland is more developed and richer than Spain is. Fact. Deal with it and get over it.

Now can we please get back to the topic at hand? Thank you.

	02-10-2002 23:31									#40
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Your country is? Considering 90% of the wealth is located in the government I wouldn't count on it.

	02-10-2002 23:31									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus According to Time (I believe, could have been Newsweek or The Economist though, I'll look it up), Clinton's approval rating in Europe was a lot higher than Bush's.

Bah! Name one Republican president that Europe has liked!

BTW, che does have a valid point. Europe seemed to love Clinton for making the Balkans even more of a mess than they already were and not doing anything to support Kyoto, etc.

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Fez clearly lives in an alternate reality. There is simply no other explanation.

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quote: Well Bush knows what he is doing when it comes to the economy

We all remember that triumph of Dubyan conservatism, steel tariffs. Of course, George knew exactly what he was doing - buying blue-collar votes with policy.

Apart from the tax rebate, has George actually done anything significantly conservative when it comes to economy?

	02-10-2002 23:35									#44
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Well the fact is that internationally, Clinton is definitely more internationally respected than Bush, although that isn't too hard.

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quote: although that isn't too hard.

Clinton is always hard!

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I mean, JFK had Monroe ferchissake. The most powerful man in the world has a an example to set by banging the most beautiful women in the world.

Clinton did better when he was Governor than as President. He had an affair with Elizabeth Gracen, actress and former Miss America.

	02-10-2002 23:39									#47
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quote: Your country is? Considering 90% of the wealth is located in the government I wouldn't count on it.

well, this about explains that comment:

"Fez clearly lives in an alternate reality. There is simply no other explanation."

quote: Bah! Name one Republican president that Europe has liked!

uhm....none

	02-10-2002 23:42									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus uhm....none

Then why should we care what Europe thinks of a Republican president? If they did like one, I'd wonder what he was doing wrong.

	02-10-2002 23:43									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Name one american politician where the scandals were so obvious.

Richard Nixon

U. S. Grant

Mayor Daly

Boss Tweed

Ronald Reagan. More of his administration was convicted than even in the Grant administration

	02-10-2002 23:51									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Ethel with his pro-Clinton propaganda. Clinton didn't know how to run squat.

Such a rebuttal. I am so stupified by your stunning use of evidence and wit.

So I take it you are admiting you just invented those figures of 30 to 40 percent approval for Clinton. I suppose you always call the truth mere propaganda. Clinton had high approval ratings most of his time in office. If you want to claim otherwise you had best back up your claims. I know you don't understand the concept of support but NO ONE is backing you on this because even the Right Wingers know you invented those numbers.

	02-10-2002 23:53									#51
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He may be thinking of the personal approval ratings.

	02-10-2002 23:55									#52
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quote: Then why should we care what Europe thinks of a Republican president? If they did like one, I'd wonder what he was doing wrong.

That's using reverse logic. We don't dislike Republican presidents because they are republican, but simply because their policies suck.

	02-10-2002 23:57									#53
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara It's not allowed.

To elaborate, 'cause I haven't seen anyone else explain:

US Constitution, Amendment 22; passed March 21, 1947; ratified February 27, 1951

Summary: No person may be elected President more than twice. No person who completes more than two years of another President's term may be elected more than once.

George Washington was the first to limit himself to two terms and Franklin Roosevelt ran for a third and fourth term in 1940 and 1944 respectively. This Amendment was added, presumably, to formalize the traditional Presidential term limit set by George Washington after FDR broke with that tradition.

Frankly, I don't see the need. In order to keep office at any level, you have to be popular with the voters (for the most part...WELL aware of other less-than-democratic factors in politics...), and in order to be popular with the voters, you have to do your job to their liking or else they won't reelect you. FDR was a good enough President that he won a third term in 1940 and felt he was popular enough to run for a fourth, prior to the 22nd Amendment.

If a person does their job and does it well, let them run.

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I echo those that said 'Thank God' that Clinton couldn't run again.

Not like he would do anything different than Georgie Boy, he just would have lied about the whole thing, while doing it. I mean, who really believes that Clinton didn't have a shadow government, etc?

	03-10-2002 00:01									#55
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What I find curious is that one president with such poor foreign policy skills is loved by Europe, while another president who Europe says is poor on foreign policy is hated. It boggles the mind.

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You'd think we'd learn about electing Governors to President, eh? None of them can figure out foreign policy. We should let states declare war on each other for 'experience' .

	03-10-2002 00:12									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui We should let states declare war on each other for 'experience' .

Capital idea! Mississippi could definately use some breathing room. We should declare war on Louisiana right now.

	03-10-2002 00:15									#58
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You want MORE people subjected to Mississippi rule?! Aren't the people you have in your borders suffering enough!

	03-10-2002 00:17									#59
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So that was what the Civil War was all about

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