06-10-2002 20:34									#151
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quote: So 'Catholic' Great Britain, Catholic Netherlands, Catholic Germany... oh, no, sorry, I meant Protestant Great Britain, Protestant Germany and the Protestant Netherlands. Which other 'Catholic' Protestant countries did you have in mind? Sweden? Norway? Finland? Estonia? Latvia? Denmark? And that's without including people who would say they hold no 'political' allegiance to either the Catholic or Protestant confession.

right to the point

and paiktis, Britain, France and even USA were strongly against the breakup of yugoslavia. no only that, but when conflict issued, they took a pro-serbian stance. british and french especially

they were all proven by facts that serbs were agressors.

	06-10-2002 20:39									#152
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about jews and ww2, I wasn there (heh) but I read that thessaloniki had a large jewish population and greeks didnt really mind germans 'cleaning' the city.. true?

	06-10-2002 20:49									#153
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quote: I know what I want: Bring back Yugoslavia!

in what form?

- one Nation?

perhaps, and this is huge speculation, but if you greeks werent so fussy back in 1054 croats and serbs would today be one nation. culturaly differentiation started with the split of churches, and since church was very important for the last 1000 years, we end up with different culture

as it is, each nation is formed and self-aware, so thats not it..

- one capital city?

we wont pay any more taxes to belgrade, or spend our time and money developing and pacifying kosovo

- one state?

But what kind of state? we had a kingdom, and it didnt work because croats were oppressed. we had a federation, and it didnt work because it was not democratic (and croats were opressed)

so we will all end up in EU, do we need a state?

quote: 100 years ago, the Balkan socialist parties were working together for a uninted socialist balkan state. This vision was shattered by the balkan wars of course.

50 years ago, Tito held consultations with albanians, bulgarians, maybe greeks? about simmilar thing. stalin wouldnt alowed it though

	07-10-2002 17:55									#154
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quote: 50 years ago, Tito held consultations with albanians, bulgarians, maybe greeks? about simmilar thing. stalin wouldnt alowed it though

The Greek communists perhaps...
Of course Stalin wouldn't let it be, one because he had the Yalta agreement to keep and two because the balkan confederation would be big enough so that it's policies would be fairly independent of the USSR.

	07-10-2002 20:17									#155
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quote: Originally posted by axi I don't know what Greece and Serbia want, I know what I want: Bring back Yugoslavia! 100 years ago, the Balkan socialist parties were working together for a uninted socialist balkan state. This vision was shattered by the balkan wars of course.

Axi, But, since that won't happen, what do we do about Kosovo and Macedonia?

	07-10-2002 20:20									#156
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I think Greece will invade if Macedonia actually calls itself by its chosen name offcially.

	07-10-2002 20:27									#157
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the catholic coutnries of europe doh. i thought it was so obvious it didnt need explanation.

italy
france
spanm
portugal
ireland
ectetcetc

thse countries are catholic.

if one is supposed to be affected by his religious affiliation then serbia had only russia dn greece while croatia had virtually half of europe which could ibnfluence decisions.


you are dumb.

	07-10-2002 20:31									#158
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now of course this is rediculous (or is it?) then ridiculous is also the thought orthodox countries. after all FYROM is orthodox. and orthodox dont have one leader Pope. so solidarity nomatter how subtle should exist between catholic countries which explains why croatia got off the loop while it did exactly the same things as serbia (croatia burned villages of albanians and serbs ethnic cleaning etc)


but as i said you are dumb and cant make the differantiatition. you read "europe" and your mind cant tell europe apart. but thats your problem to solve.

	07-10-2002 20:32									#159
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 the catholic coutnries of europe doh. i thought it was so obvious it didnt need explanation. italy france spanm portugal ireland ectetcetc thse countries are catholic. if one is supposed to be affected by his religious affiliation then serbia had only russia dn greece while croatia had virtually half of europe which could ibnfluence decisions. you are dumb.

Utter crap

The intervention by Western europe had **** all to do with religion. Ireland are neutral,Portugal and spain IIRC didn't care. France were secretly helping the Serbs and the last time the Italians took offensive action they were wearing leather skirts and spoke latin

	07-10-2002 20:41									#160
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my dear little vetlegion


in ww2`500.000 greeks died of whom 80.000 were jews.

we tried to save greek lives while you massacred anyone who wasnt a catholic croat and slaughtered serbs and jews alike while "your people" got off the loop.


baaad, dont visit croatia for hollidays

	07-10-2002 20:44									#161
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oh and
wutang

	07-10-2002 20:57									#162
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Hi Paiktiss !

How are you today ?

I'm very interrested, by the poem you have next your avatar.
I've Argentina friend and it could be good that I know more about this poem or song. He !

	07-10-2002 21:02									#163
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tiens zobo

ca vient d'un chanson d'iggy pop. voici les paroles

Her skin is copper and her voice is Spanish red
Her vibe is golden Ў®till her anger kills it dead
She wants the world to see
A body rich in harmony
A mouth cruel as death

She rides a fantasy she hasnЎЇt tested yet
She looks in every mirror to check her silhouette
The turning heads
The honking horns
Gave proof to her
Since she was born
That love is her game

She loves me, Miss Argentina
Though she hides behind her smile
She runs free, Miss Argentina
Dripping blood
With lots of style

She loves to stay in bed and watch the movies play
She wants a husband who will worship and obey
The moods that she enjoys like childrenЎЇsЎЇ games and football toys
She laughs without shame

She likes the military and the Rolling Stones
Her little brother has a T-shirt from Ramones
SheЎЇs shy and sensitive and doesnЎЇt know the tougher games
But boy can she love

SheЎЇs easy, Miss Argentina
A masterpiece without a frame
She runs free, Miss Argentina
But Venus is a dangerous game

She saves my spirit with a humanistic light
SheЎЇs greedy, lazy and impossible to like
She dresses sexually
And sheЎЇs afraid of many things
Like being alone

SheЎЇs back with mother now
SheЎЇs over twenty-five
I tried to keep her, but she buried me alive
In love and birth and jealousy
And every emotion totally freed
Screaming at once

But she loves me, Miss Argentina
While she hides behind her smile
She runs free, Miss Argentina
Dripping blood with lots of style
SheЎЇs lovely, Miss Argentina
A masterpiece without a frame
SheЎЇs easy, Miss Argentina
But Venus is a dangerous game

c'est un chanson maginifique a mon avis. un des meillieurs que j'ai jamais ecouter

	07-10-2002 21:22									#164
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Album: Avenue B
le titre du chanson: Miss Argentina

(tu peus le trouver chez winMX aussi )

	08-10-2002 03:01									#165
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In absence of a response from our Greek friends, I suggest anwer to Kosovo is this:

	08-10-2002 07:36									#166
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 ...now of course this is rediculous .... but as i said you are dumb and cant make the differantiatition. you read "europe" and your mind cant tell europe apart. but thats your problem to solve.

Let's see some proof of this Catholic conspiracy against Orthodox Serbia. An analysis of the pressure exerted by the Republic of Eire on the American government perhaps, or the Italian government, or the Spanish government. Or the vast military forces of the Duchy of Luxembourg running rampant in Montenegro. Papal assassins conducting hits on Serbs in the Voivodina...

Your political analysis is on a par with the rest of your thought- something shambling to a pallid semblance of life amidst the detritus at the bottom of the dustbin of history.

	08-10-2002 12:34									#167
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Mary, I don't think the Greeks differentiate between Roman Catholic and Protestants. As paiktis has said before, there is a general anti-latin feeling in Greece that stems from the Fourth Crusade in 1204 that sacked Constantinople. This is a wrong for which the Pope recently apologized. However, we still are not forgiven.

As I said before, I don't think the rift between the East and West can be healed unless the West does something dramatic. What I have suggested before is that the West choose an Orthodox Patriarch as the next Pope. This would end the Schism.

	08-10-2002 14:50									#168
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Mary, I don't think the Greeks differentiate between Roman Catholic and Protestants. As paiktis has said before, there is a general anti-latin feeling in Greece that stems from the Fourth Crusade in 1204 that sacked Constantinople. This is a wrong for which the Pope recently apologized. However, we still are not forgiven. As I said before, I don't think the rift between the East and West can be healed unless the West does something dramatic. What I have suggested before is that the West choose an Orthodox Patriarch as the next Pope. This would end the Schism.

Shouldn't an 800 year old religious grudge be forgotten.

Is there anyone the Greeks( and i mean piaktis here) don't have a grudge against

	08-10-2002 15:48									#169
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 murders happen in the US is an understatement. your violence is inhuman compared to european and particular to greek standars (lowest crime rate in the EU itself). more people die from violencein a week in the US than in the WTC terrorist attacks.

So you are saying that there are more than 150,000 murders in the U.S. every year? Well, that's (barely) within an order of magnitude, which is as close to reality as any of your statements so far.

	08-10-2002 15:55									#170
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Rarely do I hear the words "reality" and "statement" in the same sentence when paiktis22 is nearby.

	08-10-2002 17:30									#171
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 italy france spanm portugal ireland ectetcetc thse countries are catholic.

Spam doesn't have an 'n' in it. That's Fez's home country.

	09-10-2002 22:11									#172
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Album: Avenue B le titre du chanson: Miss Argentina (tu peus le trouver chez winMX aussi )

Merci Paiktis !

	09-10-2002 22:39									#173
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De rien zobo

	09-10-2002 22:45									#174
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Et bon chance