05-10-2002 11:40									#91
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider I'm tired of Chamberlain always being brought up to dismiss all pacifism as being foolish. I'm sure it is similar to Vietnam always being brought up for you guys. In regards to fighting "evil", As a Christian, I simply can't support any war at any cost. If we Americans worked to make amends with our Arab neighbors and worked toward absolute peace, I'm sure God would take care of the rest.

Okay, for the record I think Chamberlain was probably a great and decent human being. But perhaps nations need right bastages for leaders instead.

As far as being Christan, when my family was recently assaulted by three drugged up youths my response was such that a judge admonished me for "false imprisonment" (three counts ) and then told me that if he were me he might have acted the same way. God gave me two fists and a responsibility to stand up for myself and mine. I'll count on God to take care of stuff he hasn't prepared me to deal with, thank you very much.

	05-10-2002 13:37									#92
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Chamberlin gave away the sudetanland because britain hadn't rearmed and couldn't top them anyway

	05-10-2002 13:43									#93
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Britain didn't have to stop them. All she had to do was stand up to them, and provide the French with some metal for their back bone. The Chezchs and Poles prolly could have done the rest.

	07-10-2002 18:40									#94
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http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/South/10...land/index.html

This is what the death penalty was instituted to address.

	07-10-2002 18:45									#95
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Now a boy has been shot in Maryland, but nothing confirmed he was shot by same gunman.

	07-10-2002 19:15									#96
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider I'm tired of Chamberlain always being brought up to dismiss all pacifism as being foolish.

I could bring up Orwell if you wish.

	07-10-2002 19:16									#97
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Chamberlin wasn't a pacifist, he decalred war on germany, a bit late maybe but he did the declaring

	07-10-2002 19:29									#98
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Peace in our time, indeed.

	07-10-2002 19:46									#99
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What the heck does any of this have to do with Neville Chmaberlain or al-Qaeda? I'll bet money that these murderers are of the home grown variety. This style of attack is completely unlike anything that Islamic terrorists have ever done. These guys aren't hitting high profile targets. The hypothetical profile offered by "notyoueither" probably comes close to being accurate. If anything this inident shows us the peril of offering "appeasement" to the NRA for so many years.

	07-10-2002 19:50									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove I'll bet money that these murderers are of the home grown variety.

Suckers bet.

	07-10-2002 19:51									#101
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Grabted chamberlin is way off topic, But:

Fair enough he made mistakes however he wasn't a pacifist and he didn't start WW2.

There is a strong argument that he gave in at Munich to give Britain more time to be able to stand up to Germany later. The luftwaffe would have a field day aginst Glouster Gladiators.

	08-10-2002 02:35									#102
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The shooting this morning of the 13-year old boy was related to the other shootings.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...0-2002Oct7.html

	08-10-2002 19:22									#103
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quote: nah, expect a deranged whitey.

Then the whole American population is a suspect?

	08-10-2002 19:42									#104
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The secretary that sits right outside my office has a son who goes to that middle school.

	08-10-2002 20:12									#105
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I took our children to school (Montgomery County) this morning. There were two police cars outside each school, and parents were being used as crossing guards instead of kids. People are fairly stressed.

	08-10-2002 20:20									#106
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quote: Originally posted by jimmytrick I don't think Americans can endure the kind of constant attacks that Israel does. We have a different culture.

We have a much higher death rate than any nation undergoing a full terrorist assault. New York City has more murders per year than than the entire contry of Israel (granted it has 3 million more people). Factor in all the other murders in America, apprxiamtely 20,000 a year. The US is a war zone. Hell, in one terrorist attack we took more victims than all of Israeli's terrorist deaths from 1948 to present.

We'd learn to live with it.

	08-10-2002 20:31									#107
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"We'd learn to live with it."

I agree, but I'd prefer not to have to.

	08-10-2002 20:41									#108
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Definately.

	08-10-2002 20:44									#109
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My point was that there is no reason to believe that muslims are involved in these shootings and therefore you cannot cite the appeasement of the muslim community as a factor in these attacks. The weapon being used is apparently an assault rifle, an ityem that would not be available if our federal and state governments had had the guts to stand up to the NRA.

	08-10-2002 21:01									#110
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I very much doubt that any gun ban would have had an effect on the individual who did this.

	08-10-2002 23:29									#111
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well now they are shooting in the country most of my relatives live in.

But like I said, they live in farmland near the river. Most of them have guns of their own . There are no psychos in the middle of farmland . But they do go to various schools in the country. So that could be a concern.

	08-10-2002 23:32									#112
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quote: We have a much higher death rate than any nation undergoing a full terrorist assault.

indeed. for some reason (guns?), the US has the highest homicide rate of the western world.

	08-10-2002 23:33									#113
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quote: There are no psychos in the middle of farmland

besides the occasional sect, or militia group.

	09-10-2002 00:54									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident well now they are shooting in the country most of my relatives live in. But like I said, they live in farmland near the river. Most of them have guns of their own . There are no psychos in the middle of farmland . But they do go to various schools in the country. So that could be a concern.

Actually a little further south, in an area of Virginia extending from Danville to Altavista to Henry Co. to Halifax Co., there have been a half dozen unsolved murders of young girls, aged 8 to 15, over the past decade. That sounds pretty psycho to me.

	09-10-2002 00:56									#115
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk I very much doubt that any gun ban would have had an effect on the individual who did this.

Fortunately we'll never have a chance to find out.

	09-10-2002 01:46									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus indeed. for some reason (guns?), the US has the highest homicide rate of the western world.

Guns aren't the reason, they just make it easier. We still have way more stabbings, beatings, strangulations, etc. We're just more violent and dangerous than you lot. You'd do well to remember that.

	09-10-2002 01:53									#117
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yes, but why is that? what's the reason for it?

	09-10-2002 02:05									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus yes, but why is that? what's the reason for it?

Too much coffee.

	09-10-2002 02:07									#119
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can't be. coffee is our national drink, yet we're not (that) violent (unless Feyenoord or FC Utrecht are playing)

	09-10-2002 02:07									#120
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You also have legalized weed, so it mellows you out.