09-10-2002 22:24									#31
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Shut up marcus. You aren't appreciate to open your mouth.

	09-10-2002 22:25									#32
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any arguments to back that up Giani-boy? your claim that leftism is a fungus and crap like that.

and I make more sense than you, kiddo

	09-10-2002 22:27									#33
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Mark: You don't make any sense. I make more sense then you. Leftism is fungus. It is common sense it is. It violates capitalism which is wrong.

	09-10-2002 22:28									#34
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where are your argumements? where's the logic?

	09-10-2002 22:29									#35
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Fez, I said to go away and I meant it. You never contribute anything but bile and distract from discussing the issues. I don't want that on my thread. GET OUT.

Dave: As to casualties:

quote: Public sentiment about war with Iraq varies widely depending on the circumstances, says a new poll that suggests the issue could be an unpredictable influence in upcoming elections. Just over half the respondents, 53 percent, in a CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll released Monday said they favored invading Iraq with U.S. ground troops in an attempt to remove Saddam Hussein from power, while 40 percent opposed such a step. Support was down from 74 percent last November and 61 percent in June. People were evenly divided on whether the United States had done what it could to solve the situation diplomatically. Almost half, 47 percent, said they thought the United States should invade. Twenty-seven percent said they would support such a decision even though they did not think it was a good idea. Just over half, 53 percent, in an ABC News poll out Monday said they thought the United States could handle the war on terror and a war with Iraq at the same time, while 40 percent disagreed. Support for an invasion dropped steadily when the question included a rising number of casualties. * If it would cause 100 casualties, it was 50 percent supporting, 42 percent opposed among likely voters. * If it would cause 1,000 casualties, more were opposed, by 51-43. * If it would cause 5,000 casualties, opposition grew to 57-40. Two issues rise above the others in the elections for Congress this November -- the economy and the possibility of war with Iraq. Among people who said economic conditions were most important, likely voters were divided on who could handle that issue best, with 47 percent saying Democrats and 43 percent saying Republicans. Among those who said the possibility of war with Iraq was most important, 47 percent said Democrats were best able to handle it and 37 percent said Republicans. The CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll of 1,502 adults was taken Thursday through Sunday while the ABC News poll of 1,029 was taken Wednesday through Sunday. Both had error margins of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

	09-10-2002 22:31									#36
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Doesn't matter what poll you post... it is based on an inadequate sample.

	09-10-2002 22:32									#37
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then please, by all means, post your arguments

	09-10-2002 22:34									#38
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Mark: I already have.

	09-10-2002 22:36									#39
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Boris, the poll I was referring to was the CBS/New York Times poll which indicated similar numbers. The other point of note was that a higher majority felt that too much attention was being paid on Iraq as opposed to the economy. This doesn't bode well for a war that hasn't started yet.
Dave

	09-10-2002 22:37									#40
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quote: I already have.

when? cause all you posted was this:

I don't give a **** what the CIA or NSA or whatever other agency says... Saddam Hussein MUST BE REMOVED DAMN IT. NO DISCUSSION ON THAT UNDISPUTABLE FACT.

that's no argument. that's an opinion. valid opinions are based on arguments and logic. you post neither. so please post them now.

	09-10-2002 22:38									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus then please, by all means, post your arguments

Don't encourage him. I want him to leave my thread and I mean it. He has the anti-Midas touch, as everything he touches turns to crap. This thread already has degenerated into another Everyone Vs. Fez's Stupidity, and I don't want it to be that.

	09-10-2002 22:39									#42
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Mark; Don't give me this **** about logic or arguments which you inherently lack.

	09-10-2002 22:42									#43
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quote: Mark; Don't give me this **** about logic or arguments which you inherently lack.

why are you dodging the question? please post your arguments. You haven't done it yet, so please do it now. I'm sure you have arguments right? so where are they?

	09-10-2002 22:42									#44
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I HAVE DONE SO, DAMN IT! ENOUGH OF THIS! POST YOUR GAR-BAGE ELSEWHERE.

	09-10-2002 22:43									#45
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THAT IS IT. STOP.

FEZ--GO AWAY. NOW.

ST. MARCUS--STOP POSTING ANYTHING TO HIM IN MY THREAD.

BACK ON TOPIC.

	09-10-2002 22:47									#46
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quote: ST. MARCUS--STOP POSTING ANYTHING TO HIM IN MY THREAD.

Agreed. After this latest outburst, even I had enough.

Back on topic: most aren't convinced a war is needed. the military leadership think so, the CIA as well, same goes for half the population, ditto for the rest of the world.

and still Bush wants to go on. scary

	09-10-2002 22:51									#47
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My question is, does it change the opinion of any Americans here supporting the war? Now that our intelligence says Iraq is not a threat to us, should we still invade. Why?

I know Ned is in favor if international interventionalism regardless of threats to national interests or security, but I wonder if others who supported the war can continue to do so now?

I want to also stress that the report believed that a U.S. invasion was likely to trigger his use of biological and chemical weapons, if he has them. Isn't that what we want to avoid in the first place?

	09-10-2002 23:11									#48
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Boris, I have to back up Fezman on this. You are becoming more and more Un-American by the day. Keep this up and I will have to report you to the Federal Bureau of Homeland Security. Damn ungratefull pinko's

	09-10-2002 23:14									#49
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Out of interest, do you believe that Iraq has NBC type weapons Boris?

	09-10-2002 23:14									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov My question is, does it change the opinion of any Americans here supporting the war? Now that our intelligence says Iraq is not a threat to us, should we still invade. Why? I know Ned is in favor if international interventionalism regardless of threats to national interests or security, but I wonder if others who supported the war can continue to do so now? I want to also stress that the report believed that a U.S. invasion was likely to trigger his use of biological and chemical weapons, if he has them. Isn't that what we want to avoid in the first place?

it has been the only thing that has made me rethink the war effort (I don't like war, but I think this one is needed)

now if we see more that he will not be a threat to us or his surrounding nations if he is left on provokes, than I would be against the war

Jon Miller

	09-10-2002 23:15									#51
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Actually the REAL "Axis of evil" should be Iran-Saudi Arabia-Sudan

But Bush seems to care a lot more about oil than world peace (not that Mr. Clinton and his buddies were better than him huh)

	09-10-2002 23:19									#52
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Actually, the REAL "Axis of Evil" should be USA-Russia-China. After all, they have most WoMDs (nuclear, chemical and biological).

	09-10-2002 23:20									#53
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Out of interest, do you believe that Iraq has NBC type weapons Boris?

You mean like Friends and ER?

	09-10-2002 23:21									#54
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I don't really buy the "this is all about oil" argument that much. If all we really wanted is direct control over oil we'd just take over the Gulf states we already have troops in (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar). Probably only take a few hours and I'm sure we could come up with some kind of proof they support terrorism.

	09-10-2002 23:21									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus Actually, the REAL "Axis of Evil" should be USA-Russia-China.

You forgot France, the UK, Pakistan, India, and Israel. Germany and a few other countries have the potential to join this club as well.

quote: You mean like Friends and ER?

No, I don't.

	09-10-2002 23:23									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus Actually, the REAL "Axis of Evil" should be USA-Russia-China. After all, they have most WoMDs (nuclear, chemical and biological).

you forgot most of europe

Jon Miller

	09-10-2002 23:25									#57
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Then not...note DATELINE, I hope!

Honestly, we know he has Bio and chem weapons (however, much of his stockpile was destroyed after the gulf war.) But so what? So do a lot of other countries. There is no evidence he has nuclear weapons, I think Ritter is right here.

If we're going to make it our mission to attack any country that has NBCs, shouldn't we start going after the ones that are more threatening to world peace, like Pakistan?

	09-10-2002 23:26									#58
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Iraq is against us

therefore Iraq is more of a danger than Pakistan (who is not officially against us)

Jon Miller

	09-10-2002 23:28									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Honestly, we know he has Bio and chem weapons (however, much of his stockpile was destroyed after the gulf war.) But so what?

No particular reason. It's just that a lot of the people that I talk to around campus believe that Iraq has been disarmed.

quote: I think Ritter is right here.

Which time?

	09-10-2002 23:29									#60
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quote: you forgot most of europe

only 2 European nations have WoMDs, and only in small numbers (those being France and the UK). The US, Russia and China all have way more.

Furthermore, 2 European nations don't make it "most of Europe".