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Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...q_usa_bush_dc_9

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CIA Says Iraq Unlikely to Strike US Unless Provoked
Wed Oct 9, 5:16 AM ET
By Tabassum Zakaria

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The CIA (news - web sites) said the probability of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) initiating an attack without provocation on the United States in the foreseeable future was "very low," according to a letter made public on Tuesday.

But if he was attacked, the likelihood that Saddam would respond with biological or chemical weapons was "pretty high."

The letter, dated Oct. 7, was signed by Deputy CIA Director John McLaughlin on behalf of CIA Director George Tenet and sent to Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Bob Graham in response to the Florida Democrat requesting the CIA declassify parts of its secret assessment on Iraq.

The Senate is debating how much authority to give President Bush (news - web sites) in a war powers resolution, and some Democrats complained that the CIA was not providing intelligence that contradicted the Bush administration's views on Iraq.

Bush, in a televised speech on Monday night, sought to rally public support around his position that Iraq poses a danger to the United States because of its biological and chemical weapons and ties to terrorists.

The CIA assessment in the letter to Graham said Iraq appeared to have stopped short of terrorist attacks against the United States.

'DRAWING A LINE'

"Baghdad for now appears to be drawing a line short of conducting terrorist attacks with conventional or CBW (chemical and biological weapons) against the United States," the CIA said.

"Should Saddam conclude that a U.S.-led attack could no longer be deterred, he probably would become much less constrained in adopting terrorist actions," the letter said.

Tenet, in a statement, said there was "no inconsistency" between the CIA's view of Saddam's growing threat and the view expressed in the president's speech.

"Although we think the chances of Saddam initiating a WMD (weapons of mass destruction) attack at this moment are low -- in part because it would constitute an admission that he possesses WMD -- there is no question that the likelihood of Saddam using WMD against the United States or our allies in the region for blackmail, deterrence, or otherwise grows as his arsenal continues to build," Tenet said.

The letter declassified dialogue from a closed Oct. 2 Senate Intelligence Committee hearing, in which a senior intelligence witness was asked what Saddam would do if he did not feel threatened.

"My judgement would be that the probability of him initiating an attack -- let me put a time frame on it -- in the foreseeable future, given the conditions we understand now, the likelihood I think would be low," the witness said.

In response to a U.S. attack, the likelihood that Saddam would respond with chemical or biological weapons was "pretty high," the intelligence witness said.

INFORMATION FROM DETAINEES

The CIA said its understanding of the relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda was "evolving" and based on sources of varying reliability. The United States blames al Qaeda for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, but officials say they have not found any direct link between the attacks and Iraq.

"Some of the information we have received comes from detainees, including some of high rank," the CIA letter said. "We have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda going back a decade."

"Credible information indicates that Iraq and al Qaeda have discussed safe haven and reciprocal nonaggression," the CIA said.

Bush, in his speech, said some al Qaeda leaders who fled Afghanistan (news - web sites) went to Iraq, including a senior leader who received medical treatment in Baghdad this year.

U.S. officials told Reuters that was a reference to Abu Musab Zarqawi who lost a leg in Afghanistan, but that he was no longer in Iraq.

"Iraq's increasing support to extremist Palestinians, coupled with growing indications of a relationship with al Qaeda, suggest that Baghdad's links to terrorists will increase, even absent U.S. military actions," the letter said.

The CIA last week publicly released an unclassified report on Iraq's biological, chemical and nuclear weapons capabilities


Looks like Tenet has confirmed what many of us have said all along--it's Bush's aggressive policies that will lead to a disaster rather than aggression on the part of Iraq.

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amerika the big bully. has europe not kiss your rear. skary

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Originally posted by Gerth22
amerika the big bully. has europe not kiss your rear. skary


This could very well end up being the best response in this thread...

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so it's all just a personal vendetta then?

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This could very well end up being the best response in this thread...



or indeed ever

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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so it's all just a personal vendetta then?


Of course not. You forgot about the desires of the oil companies and the desire to use it as a political tool.

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sorry not englich is not good. i has mean say that to iraq is not threat to amerika

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sorry not englich is not good. i has mean say that to iraq is not threat to amerika


well i can't speak flemmish or whatever so you are doing better than me

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ok so the real reasons to attack iraq are:

- oil
- politics
- personal vendetta

Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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ok so the real reasons to attack iraq are:

- oil
- politics
- personal vendetta


If only Bush had been so succinct in his boring speech!

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I don't think so Boris. I don't think so. Don't even try to pull this crap here... because I will step right up and defend Bush's foreign policy as much as you attack him. I wouldn't recall that Bush is being aggressive. He is not. It is Saddam Hussein that is being threatening to neighbors (not the US). The CIA has said Iraq is not a threat to the US because it has no capability of striking the US but will become a threat and that will have to be faced. I don't give a **** what the CIA or NSA or whatever other agency says... Saddam Hussein MUST BE REMOVED DAMN IT. NO DISCUSSION ON THAT UNDISPUTABLE FACT.

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I don't think so Boris. I don't think so. Don't even try to pull this crap here... because I will step right up and defend Bush's foreign as much as you attack him. I wouldn't recall that Bush is being aggressive. He is not. It is Saddam Hussein that is being threatening to neighbors (not the US). The CIA has said Iraq is not a threat to the US because it has no capability of striking the US but will become a threat and that will have to be faced. I don't give a **** what the CIA or NSA or whatever other agency says... Saddam Hussein MUST BE REMOVED DAMN IT. NO DISCUSSION ON THAT UNDISPUTABLE FACT.


I won't have you Fezzing up my thread with your unsupported declarations and hostile rantings. We can tell you're upset by this news because of how violently you reacted. I certainly am not in the slightest bit cowed by your amusing attempts to "silence" me.

Remember, one must actually have some power to be an effective fascist, Fez.

Go away, your input isn't welcome here.

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I don't have power over clueless people.

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I distinctly recalled Dubya has been stressing how Iraq is a thread to the US blah blah blah.

I of course am not saying that Hussein should not (or should) be removed.

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I don't have power over clueless people.

Poor Fez, no self-control. Explains a lot really...

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Poor Fez, no self-control. Explains a lot really...


Damn it, beat me to it!

UR--Exactly. He is trying (none to successfully) to build a mandate for war based upon Iraq threatening the U.S. This undermines that totally.

Considering the dismal economy, most Americans would not support an expensive war unless it was necessary for their immediate security. It clearly is not, and the more Americans begin to see that (and begin to focus more on Bush's abysmal domestic record), the more Bush will find nobody here except extremist nutballs want the war.

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how irak is a threat? iraq not even 100 plans from russia and might be 600 tonks and a million man. Amerika has 5000 planes and has twice the tank has not russian stuff.

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It seems to me that the "war" is getting a lot less media coverage than before. Maybe Bush is losing some steam.

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It seems to me that the "war" is getting a lot less media coverage than before. Maybe Bush is losing some steam.


Once people's attentions turn to the growing domestic problems, he's in trouble.

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Well this has been going on for ages. People do get jaded and start wondering about things such as evidence.

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Poor Fez, no self-control. Explains a lot really...


no ****!

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I will step right up and defend Bush's foreign policy as much as you attack him.


Fez as counsel for the defence.

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More leftist hot air... claiming they are speaking for everybody...

Marcus, shut the **** up.

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Poor Fez, no self-control. Explains a lot really...


The views of fanatics can not be changed by rational arguments, as their beliefs are not founded in logic.

Some people refuse to listen to views outside their narrow mind-set.

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Wrong Amadan. My views include logic... it is the leftist fanatics here like Boris who have no logic or common sense.

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Fez, with the rare fluke, your logic is always garbage in-garbage out.

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Wrong Amadan. My views include logic... it is the leftist fanatics here like Boris who have no logic or common sense.


What's your logic Fez ?

You don't demonstrate any logic. You just claim that what you say is true and that other point of view is biased !

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Wrong Amadan. My views include logic... it is the leftist fanatics here like Boris who have no logic or common sense.


...that and over 50% of the US populace when asked if they support the war in the face of staggering military and civilian casualities. As usual, you are completely devoid of sense....

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Wrong again DD. Leftism has no stand anywhere in this world. It is the fungus and brings out the worst in the world.

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As usual, you are completely devoid of sense...


 
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